Firefly- The Animated Series
POSTED BY: Mangolo
UPDATED: Friday, February 2, 2007 15:08
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Originally posted by doctroid:
Having watched the trailer, I'd say... Interesting.
Yes interesting.
But not what it takes to do Firefly.
Animate the VERY subtle expressions on Nathan/Mal's face when Saffron tells him he is her wife? No. With any type of animation it would come out anything but subtle.
Show Inara's eyes with animation? The very low signal level she gives Mal when he asks her a question at the end of that episode cannot be done with computer animation. Watch that sequence. Watch here eyes as he gets her to "admit" to kissing Saffron, and the oh-so-slight conveyance of emotion that barely shows when Mal leaves having guessed wrong.
Firefly is full of that intangible level of expression. Can't be done with computer animation.
Your animation, Mangolo, is artistic and impressive. But just not human and expressive. I'll watch what you do, and if it ends up being Firefly, I'll watch it likely only once. Not over and over and um, over...
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Originally posted by doctroid:
Having watched the trailer, I'd say... Interesting.
Yes interesting.
But not what it takes to do Firefly.
Animate the VERY subtle expressions on Nathan/Mal's face when Saffron tells him he is her wife? No. With any type of animation it would come out anything but subtle.
Show Inara's eyes with animation? The very low signal level she gives Mal when he asks her a question at the end of that episode cannot be done with computer animation. Watch that sequence. Watch here eyes as he gets her to "admit" to kissing Saffron, and the oh-so-slight conveyance of emotion that barely shows when Mal leaves having guessed wrong.
Firefly is full of that intangible level of expression. Can't be done with computer animation.
Your animation, Mangolo, is artistic and impressive. But just not human and expressive. I'll watch what you do, and if it ends up being Firefly, I'll watch it likely only once. Not over and over and um, over...
Many thanks for your honesty. I think we are going to scrap this pursuit...for now. After our feature film is complete we will revisit the idea with you all and Joss.
Keep Flyin'
GB
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Ouch. I feel like the nail in the coffin.
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Ouch. I feel like the nail in the coffin.
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Don't. We were exploring whether to invest time and energy at this stage or after the film. We will definitely revisit this in a couple of years. Maybe Firefly Season 2 will happen before that!!!
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Originally posted by History:
Mangolo,
I also checked out your site and trailer for StangeFrame: Love and Sax
http://www.strangeframe.com/trailers.htm
Very nice.
And was it my imagination or were those Firefly-like class vessels in the trailer and a "save River"-like theme as part of the storyline?
However, if your output for this project is "Fall 2009", a Firefly/Serenity animated project would be many years away, would it not?
Respectfully,
History
I blame it on the collective unconscious. Shelley and I began development on our "fix everything that is wrong with Trek" show in 1999. No aliens, no FTL, no white male lead whose name starts with J (really think about it SGA, SG1, Jeremiah, B5, STOS, STNG, etc). and of course people swearing in Chinese (damn Joss we were on the same page!!!) We began our ad campaign in 2001, within a few months of our original pitch "You're trapped in a fishbowl without walls, falling endlessly around a flickering candle. No hokey hyperdrives. No Federations or galactic empires. The speed of light chains everyone to the same star: step too far away and the Long Dark will eat you alive." - Firefly came along as the new 'anti-Trek' (NY Times) and we thought we were dead and indeed our chance for a TV series became limited - MTV offered to buy our idea, but we weren't selling - we wanted to make this stuff ourselves! We ditched the TV series and wrote a screenplay that takes place just before the TV scripts. We raised a chunk of change (not the full budget) and went into production in 2004. Those ships were designed in 2001 based on some models we actually bought at that time. (So it is not just our minds tapped into this stuff). There is definitely some similarities between River and Naia, but all written before Shelley and I had seen Firefly (you can check our WGA registration!), but our flick is about fringe musicians and a space trucker named Grenman who hauls them around.
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Thanks for the background, Mangalo.
I wasn't being accusing, just admiring.
There are only 2 or 3 original archetypal stories in existence anyway.
The rest are just different retellings.
Good luck.
Respectfully,
History
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Ouch. I feel like the nail in the coffin.
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Don't. We were exploring whether to invest time and energy at this stage or after the film. We will definitely revisit this in a couple of years. Maybe Firefly Season 2 will happen before that!!!
Ignore the wet blankets.
Invest, invest, invest.
Animation is a completely different media.
And you do animation very well.
If we Browncoats insist on only the live actor tv/film media, we're cheating ourselves of more good stories and adventures in the 'Verse.
If B3 was any example, Browncoats will spend our "greenbacks" on anything that show's love of the 'Verse and keeps us flyin'.
Just do it.
Respectfully,
History
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Ouch. I feel like the nail in the coffin.
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Don't. We were exploring whether to invest time and energy at this stage or after the film. We will definitely revisit this in a couple of years. Maybe Firefly Season 2 will happen before that!!!
Ignore the wet blankets.
Invest, invest, invest.
Animation is a completely different media.
And you do animation very well.
If we Browncoats insist on only the live actor tv/film media, we're cheating ourselves of more good stories and adventures in the 'Verse.
If B3 was any example, Browncoats will spend our "greenbacks" on anything that show's love of the 'Verse and keeps us flyin'.
Just do it.
Respectfully,
History
Thanks for the encouragement. We just believe once our film is done and this new style is more broadly accepted (we have 3 million hits on our website), we will have a better chance at securing a large market. It is not so much about the money, as building a entity that can support itself outside the FOX world. The Idea: Not dead, just resting.
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yup yup defo any kind of continuation of firefly or serenity is a must!
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I'd watch or buy anything that continues the Firefly/Serenity saga. So, DEFINATELY YES!!!!!!
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I fail to understand why people feel that animation can not do what live action can. In many respects it can do more.
For some reason, I can't seem to get the trailer you linked to come up for me, so I don't know exactly what you have going on there, but from your stills and the enthusiasm you have about your work it looks good.
I'm studying computer animation right now. Believe me, if this were something I had the means to work on, I'd be all over it.
Bottom line - We'd watch it. We'd all watch it. And we'd love it.
"We may experience some slight turbulence, and then... explode."
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