Firefly Sets Yet Another Record!

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CAPTAINJOSH06

Thursday, January 18, 2007 4:20 PM

My personaly experience being every DVD I have works fine with me, as I have a multi region DVD player and do not use the PC to watch films.

But I honestly believe that the bringing out of Serenity for Pirates to use will be a blow against Universle who us Browncoats like!

When you think of it on the gaming world perspective, companies have done well to make pirates alittle more bored with their products.
If you were to download a game like Medieval II Total War from certain sites (non official copies) then you can play the game, but once you complete it, you want a better experience, so you attempt to play online, how ever....it wont work.
The CD Key, you can use any CD Key you want which looks like an official one, but only an official CD key allows you to play online with the rest of the community!

Now us as a Browncoat Community, think long and hard, if we want this planned MMORPG to be released, or maybe to change Joss's mind and bring out another film or TV episodes to finish the Firefly story, then copy right and reducing the pay to Universal and the Serenity/Firefly Actors is not the way.

TERRI

Thursday, January 18, 2007 4:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaptainJosh06:
I don't like Pirating, not only does it destroy the Industries, but this means that their will be a reduction(flux) in Official Serenity sales.
So anyone who wants to create a large income for the Industries and make them realise this is a very Popular Film/TV series, any of those plans could be seriously hindered.

This Bittorrent is not good and we should do well in making sure it is not hosted on any other Illegal download sites.

See, the flaw in your logic is that all the people who are downloading the movie, would have bought it on DVD. That's not only not likely, it's not feasible. I mean, Serenity is a great story, and an awesome movie, but to think that 100% of the people who see this movie will become rabid Browncoats is just naive. So, think about it this way: They're watching the movie for free, right? So, you can compare that to watching the movie on HBO. What we want is people watching it, we really shouldn't care how. Because the Browncoats will show themselves, and they will want a real copy, with real Nathan and real Summer looking at them on the cover, and they'll want to buy the series. So, how many people, who have never seen the movie before are going to buy the movie, right off the shelf without having seen if before? I wouldn't. I very rarely buy a movie I've never seen before, maybe one or two, and I have a massive DVD collection. How many have you bought without seeing them? So, you say, they can rent it. Well, that enlarges our pool slightly. Maybe from a couple dozen to a couple hundred. Not many. They're still paying. But, the people who are going to download a free copy that's in the thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands. That increases our pool even more, that's more people who have the opportunity to fall in love with the 'Verse. And that's how I was introduced to the BDM's (renting the movie at Blockbuster) but I had a foot in the 'Verse already, and an a HUGE Joss Whedon fan. Sooooo, granted, we shouldn't be thinking about downloading the movie. We are fans of the 'Verse, we know the struggles, the trials and tribulations, but for those who are just finding out, I say give them a chance. Let them get sucked in and when they fall in love like we have, they'll go out and buy it for themselves. You know what they say: Any publicity is good publicity.

TERRI

Thursday, January 18, 2007 4:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaptainJosh06:
"But I honestly believe that the bringing out of Serenity for Pirates to use will be a blow against Universle who us Browncoats like!

When you think of it on the gaming world perspective, companies have done well to make pirates alittle more bored with their products.
If you were to download a game like Medieval II Total War from certain sites (non official copies) then you can play the game, but once you complete it, you want a better experience, so you attempt to play online, how ever....it wont work.
The CD Key, you can use any CD Key you want which looks like an official one, but only an official CD key allows you to play online with the rest of the community!"

"Now us as a Browncoat Community, think long and hard, if we want this planned MMORPG to be released, or maybe to change Joss's mind and bring out another film or TV episodes to finish the Firefly story, then copy right and reducing the pay to Universal and the Serenity/Firefly Actors is not the way."

I don't see what your first point has to do with your second. If you want to play the Firefly MMORPG, then you'll have to have the key. You can't play an online RPG offline. Also, bittorrent will most likely be a nonissue because you'll most likely not need to download the game using a torrent, you'll probably be able to download it off the website (with a fee). The MMORPG is already being developed. They wouldn't have started that if they didn't think they had a chance to make money, and I doubt the rate of download on the movie is going to effect that one way or another. They're probably hoping more people will download it, so that there will be omre exposure to the 'Verse out there, so that people will already have some experience there. And like I've said before, not everybody who downoloads the movie would have bought it in the first place. I think that for a series and movie that had a seemed to have a pretty narrow focus, Serenifly can appeal to anybody if they can just give it a chance.

CAPTAINJOSH06

Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:13 PM

Personaly, I have seen movies at the cinema, then waited for the DVD, then bought the DVD and watched it, sometimes lent it you m8s, they watch it, and buy it. Then I watch it as many times i want.

SEAFORT32

Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:12 PM

Wow. I couldn't disagree more. Hacker cred and counter culture acceptance is all cool and all, but that is it. It doesn't get movies made. No suit sitting in the boardroom is going to say "Let's make a movie so it can be downloaded." Sure it shows it is super popular. Say everyone on the planet downloads it. Still won't make a movie, since all that proves is that fans of the material aren't willing to pay for it. I offer it will acutally have the opposite affect. Wouldn't it be more productive to say that HD-DVD Serenity drove actual HD-DVD hardware sales? That would get a movie made. How will downloading content encourage the makers of the content to make more?

Am I Browncoat? I say I'm a Browncoat and download sites are Badger. Didn't Mal have honor among thieves that Badger didn't have? Didn't he return the medicine at the peril of his life? Shouldn't we buy the movie at the peril of our wallets?

I'm not a hater, and I'm sure none of us are. We all just want more Firefly.

GRONIGER

Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaptainJosh06:
My personaly experience being every DVD I have works fine with me, as I have a multi region DVD player and do not use the PC to watch films.

But I honestly believe that the bringing out of Serenity for Pirates to use will be a blow against Universle who us Browncoats like!

Now us as a Browncoat Community, think long and hard, if we want this planned MMORPG to be released, or maybe to change Joss's mind and bring out another film or TV episodes to finish the Firefly story, then copy right and reducing the pay to Universal and the Serenity/Firefly Actors is not the way.

One thing I have noticed in glancing through this, is there are people out there in the 'verse that will follow the rules - whatever they may be - because they are there. And then there are those that 'Aim to misbehave.'

I would have to be the latter. I won't down load a lot of stuff off the net because I am rather stupid when it comes to that stuff. But, there are plenty of time that I refuse to follow the rules just because they are stupid.

I think that pirating Firefly/Serenity stuff off the net is a tribute to all Browncoat and a stand against an overbearing gov't that has to put rules on every gorram thing.

RAZZA

Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Seafort32:
Wow. I couldn't disagree more. Hacker cred and counter culture acceptance is all cool and all, but that is it. It doesn't get movies made. No suit sitting in the boardroom is going to say "Let's make a movie so it can be downloaded." Sure it shows it is super popular. Say everyone on the planet downloads it. Still won't make a movie, since all that proves is that fans of the material aren't willing to pay for it. I offer it will acutally have the opposite affect. Wouldn't it be more productive to say that HD-DVD Serenity drove actual HD-DVD hardware sales? That would get a movie made. How will downloading content encourage the makers of the content to make more?

Am I Browncoat? I say I'm a Browncoat and download sites are Badger. Didn't Mal have honor among thieves that Badger didn't have? Didn't he return the medicine at the peril of his life? Shouldn't we buy the movie at the peril of our wallets?

I'm not a hater, and I'm sure none of us are. We all just want more Firefly.

Seafort:

Again, folks keep missing the point here. Peer-to-Peer file sharing actually increases sales of entertainment media. Here are some articles about studies made when Napster what at it's height:

http://news.com.com/Study+Napster+users+buy+more+music/2100-1023_3-243
463.html

http://www.unc.edu/~cigar/papers/FileSharing_March2004.pdf

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-522383.html

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/tech/00/07/biztech/articles/21naps
ter-study.html

This article:
http://news.com.com/Study+finds+Napster+use+may+cut+into+record+sales/
2100-1023_3-241065.html
actually gives the strongest evidence that this is so, yet the article headline "Study finds Napster use may cut into record sales" makes it sound like just the opposite is true. From the article istelf, I quote:

Quote:
As reported earlier, SoundScan division VNU Marketing tested the theory by looking specifically at sales in stores near universities, where online music has been more widely adopted than in the general public. In those stores, SoundScan data shows that record sales have actually dropped 4 percent in the past two years. In stores near the 67 colleges that have banned Napster, citing an overload on their internal networks, sales have dropped 7 percent in two years.

According to the recording industry's own study, stores located near campuses where Napster was allowed and widely used were better than those at stores near campuses that banned the use of Napster. How can this be if as the article title says, "Napster use may cut into record sales"?

I maintain, that the vast majority of people who use peer-to-peer file sharing are actually very good spending consumers as well! In fact, access to a greater variety of media and a network of like minded people with simliar tastes makes you more likely to spend your money on something than less likely if you ask me. That's just common sense. We are a bandwagon society like it or not.

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SIGMANUNKI

Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaptainJosh06:

Now us as a Browncoat Community, think long and hard, if we want this planned MMORPG to be released, or maybe to change Joss's mind and bring out another film or TV episodes to finish the Firefly story, then copy right and reducing the pay to Universal and the Serenity/Firefly Actors is not the way.

Sophistry!

We need the game servers to play the MMOG so the risk of putting out a DVD is radically different to that of a MMOG.

Joss is also not pursuing anything on a screen (big or little) with regards to FF/S. So, there is no mind to change when it comes to Joss. All the companies care about it profit. Even if it is a small profit, all they care about is profit. As long as they get it, they're happy. Risk is a very bad thing these days for the movie industry and we've proven to them, even with downloading, they'll make some (or do you honestly think that no-one has downloaded the DVD version of the series or movie?). Now the ball is in there court.

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I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

SIGMANUNKI

Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:41 PM

@Seafort32:

Hyperbole can be used to make a point, but it absolutely cannot be used as an argument. Try again.

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I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

MACAVITY

Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:47 PM

. . . Heh, I was just about to post a similar article from El Reg (which can be seen here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/18/hd-dvd_crack/ ) in the News section. Good thing I checked over here first!

Now, while I pwersonally don't think pirating movies is a good idea - and especially not the Big Damn Movie - I still think that the cracking of the HD-DVD's encryption is extremely shiny.

Just goes to show that no matter how hard you try . . . you can't stop the signal!

"First come smiles, then come lies. Last is gunfire." - Roland Deschain, gunslinger

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