"The Static Drinking Game" - or - "Why Should I Support the Military?"
POSTED BY: Succatash
UPDATED: Friday, March 19, 2004 20:30
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Knew you'd have to jump in with your associate, 'tash. Inevitably, those without honor feel the need to gang up on those with it.
Didn't you say:
The way I see it, instead of killing everybody who hates the U.S., we should be focusing on WHY they hate us. Maybe it's because we bomb the shit out of everyone and we act like assholes ... We're doing a GREAT job of making new enemies.
So. You're trying to say that your and maniac's namecalling is OK, that acting like assholes and flaming the shit out of everyone is just fine? That your actions shouldn't attract the emnity of those you attack?
You boys get together and see if you can come up with something better, dong ma?
It's all fun 'til someone's eye gets put out.
Take my love
Take my land
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While it might not be right, I think you might take an exception to the fact that it was instigated by others. Maybe you might feel ok if someone tells you that your work and your craft is crap - somehow I doubt it. Deep down inside, even the most cynical of us feel a certain pride in what we do - some people have their profession define who they are, others have their hobbies and craft, but it's all what we do.
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Originally posted by Succatash:Quote:Wow.
Originally posted by Wulfhawk:
Maniac, you are a lying, cheating scum, almost completely without honor. That's not much of a cut-down to you, but I'm sure the other folks understand. I hope you don't travel out of state much, because in other states they scrape up piles like you with a shovel and deposit them back into the field.
You know, I've been trying to learn something on this thread. But this is terrible. You are lashing out like an angry child. Where's the honor in that?
Wulfhawk, your behavior undermines anything you have to say about the definition of honor. Kind of ironic, don't you think?
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Originally posted by Succatash:
You are lashing out like an angry child.
"Hello kettle? This is Tash. You're black."
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"Be reasonable! What're you takin' this so personal for? It ain't like I ratted you out to the Feds."
"Oh, but you did. You turn on any of my crew, you turn on ME!!"
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>>Of course, killing isn't something you should do lightly, but there are a lot of people who deserve to be executed.<<
"Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be so eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."
Gandalf "Stormcrow" Greyhame.
As written by J.R.R Tolkien.
Probably the greatest bit of wisdom in the entire tale, summarised in a single statement.
That being said....
Damnnn folks, just agree to disagree and try to be adults about it, ehe ?
-frem
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Quote:How so? I'm not preaching about honor. I'm not screaming and crying about someone's lack of honor, am I? Your post is stupid.
Originally posted by Lerxst:
"Hello kettle? This is Tash. You're black."
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Just funnin' with you a little, Tash. It just struck me as a tad ironical that you would call someone childish, while you yourself have thrown tantrums of legendary proportions.
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"Be reasonable! What're you takin' this so personal for? It ain't like I ratted you out to the Feds."
"Oh, but you did. You turn on any of my crew, you turn on ME!!"
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Originally posted by Succatash:Quote:Wow.
Originally posted by Wulfhawk:
Maniac, you are a lying, cheating scum, almost completely without honor. That's not much of a cut-down to you, but I'm sure the other folks understand. I hope you don't travel out of state much, because in other states they scrape up piles like you with a shovel and deposit them back into the field.
You know, I've been trying to learn something on this thread. But this is terrible. You are lashing out like an angry child. Where's the honor in that?
Wulfhawk, your behavior undermines anything you have to say about the definition of honor. Kind of ironic, don't you think?
Looks like you were preaching to me, 'tasho.
My only definition of honor was ya'lls lack of it 8) Ah, the IRONY! Oh, the HUMANITY! This is just too easy. For my part, let this post sink into the abyssal ooze where it belongs.
Take my love
Take my land
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This whole issue of supporting soldiers without supporting the war is a very interesting and sensitive subject.
I've truly been struggling with this for quite a while, and I've learned a lot from the responses and even changed some of my opinions because of it.
This thread has crashed and burned, but if there's anyway we can resume civil talk, I'd like to continue.
Sorry to all for my part in the Rude Fest.
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Tash,
First of all, I believe you addressed an apology to me earlier in this thread. I thank you for that, accept it gladly, and once again state that you should never apologize for expressing your honest and sincere opinion to me.
I have finally decided to throw a bit of input into this thread, but it might not be what others expect to read. After talking with a few people who "get paid more than me" I have decided to answer one or two questions that might make some folks feel a little better, or might make them feel a bit worse.
I cannot comment on Iraq, simply because I am not there. I will only express the opinion that I don't think we should have gone there YET. I believe that Hussein and his regime had the potential to make 9/11 look like a rained-out ball game, BUT, I think if we had waited a bit longer, they would have given us 'enough rope to hang them with' and the entire world would have supported it. The trade-off for acting early. . .we know that we PROBABLY averted something bad. . .but since we never let it happen. . .now we get to guess. Sleep tight, Mr. President.
Afghanistan.
Different story.
Some guys flew a few planes through some office buildings and ran to hide in Afghanistan. The Taliban, Afghanistan's ruling body (if you could call it that) told us to go screw ourselves, and that they wouldn't cooperate with us, so we decided to come in WITHOUT an invitation. SO, now the Taliban count among the bad guys. Support terrorists, get counted among them. Seeing as how the Taliban had begun the systematic elimination of entire TRIBES of Afghani nationals, this wasn't too hard to justify. Several united Afghani tribes (The Northern Alliance) agreed to help us overthrow the Taliban. . .the trade is, we can operate in their country if we stay out of their inter-tribal squabbles. . .which we do.
In Afghanistan, we are actively searching for still-active members the Taliban, as well as active cells of the Al-Queda (Bin Laden's terrorist network). We have VERY STRICT rules of engagement. Basically, we're allowed to shoot BACK. That's it. The only time we ever INITIATE hostile action is after all sorts of intelligence establishes beyond any doubt that the people involved are either Taliban, Al-Queda or actively supporting either. In these instances, our PRIMARY interest is to capture, not kill. I can honestly say that I have fired more FLARES from my aircraft than anything else. The flares are normally used as a countermeasure against heat-seeking rockets, but we find that if you pop two or three of them in front of a speeding ban or truck, the people driving them tend to stop and surrender.
I think Iraq was a bad idea that could be turned around into some good results. I wish we hadn't gone YET, but I hope we're able to help these people build a life that doesn't include murderous dictators (or meddling democracies).
I think as far as Afghanistan was concerned we followed the ONLY course of action available. I mean some folks can talk about economic sanctions, strengthening the intel community, etc. etc. etc. . .but the fact remains that one day, someone would still probably be 'asleep at the switch' which is the very thing that terrorist look for. . .the thing they wait for. . .and the reason they succeeded in striking in the FIRST place.
I'm sorry if I convey to anyone that I relish the idea or act of taking lives. Truth be told, I don't think a single day of my leave has gone by that I haven't fallen apart. I also apologize if any you are offended by the way we shout 'firefly-isms' in the heat of battle. I can only say that in the heat of battle, the rush doesn't come from the knowledge that you have just TAKEN life. . .but rather the knowledge that you have just SURVIVED. Every shot you fire, every enemy you kill. . .that's just one more person who can't kill you. . .which buys you a few more minutes in this world.
I would love to see this thread die, because I hate to see an angry argument here. I would love to see us go back to discussing galaxy
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