the cold hard scientific facts: 9/11 was an inside job
POSTED BY: antimason
UPDATED: Sunday, January 14, 2007 09:17
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do you all understand why the declassified OPERATION NORTHWOODS documents are so important?/
it seems that most of you cannot seem to comprehend how American born leaders would commit criminal negligence and the indirect murder of other Americans, for any reason whatsover; so that creates a stumbling block between you and reality. the fact of the matter is, unless you are completely oblivious to prior history, THATS ALL WE'VE EVER KNOWN! and NORTHWOODS is the most obvious evidence of a prior attempt by our US governemnt, just 40 years ago, to kill AMericans under false flag terror events and blame it on cuban nationals; everything the CIA is known for in other countries, espionage and political coups and propoganda. if thats too vague for you, understand that the Pentagon joint cheifs approved it IN WRITING! look it up please.. because i cannot possibly cover(uncover) every lie and untruth propogated by the establishment; but i know it happens, im certainly not naive to that
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You may be an idiot but I love the hat, is that real tinfoil? Glad to see you are a traditionalist.
Let's wind this back a little. You claim that the towers could not have fallen just through the impact of planes. Consequently you create an elaborate conspiracy that operates in order to demolish the towers. This in turn results in hundreds of co-conspiritors with the problems associated with such a large operation.
Even ignoring the fact that 1) it is possible to knock down a building with a plane and 2) the unlikelyhood that such a conspiracy could be maintained your theory has a far bigger problem. That problem is that according to your theory the ultimate objective of the attack is not to destroy the building but to create a political environment that could be used to inact legislation like the patriot act and start the Iraq war. I would contend that crashing the planes into the buildings alone would have achieved that objective, even if the buildings hadn't fallen the result would have been hundreds of deaths and millions of dollars of infrastructure damage. In many ways having the towers still standing would have served as a even better advertisement for the administrations policies since they would have been an even more visable symbol that America had been attacked. If we believe as you do that the majority of the added conspiritors are involved in some way with demolishing the buildings then why bother? You can acheive the same effect without demolition and the risk of discovery is less.
If you proposed the theory that members of the administration with the help of Saudi Intelligence organised an attack on the WTC using hijacked airliners that INADVERTANTLY destroyed the building, that would be a plausable theory because it involves less than 50 people. However, you can't propose that theory or even consider it even though it is more reasonable because you come to this argument unable to conceive that 19 people who are willing to die for a cause could destroy 2 enormous buildings. It is your inability to deal with that reality that causes you to imagine the huge conspiracy you see. It's magic thinking.
Let me tell you what's going on. If the accepted theory is accurate, if 19 determined well financed guys drawn from a group with less than 10,000 members could cause that much devistation then YOU can never ever feel safe again. Most professional sports clubs have more than 10,000 fans you could find 19 fanatics for almost any cause. It's unnerving, it's scarey and you don't want to live with those consequences. If on the other hand it is YOUR theory, if this kind of operation can only be done by the president of the US of A with the assistance of thousands of flunkies that actually makes you feel safer. You reason that it's hard to amass and use that level of force, the administration would have to use it sparingly as a result and thus your personal safety is assured. Further if it could be proved and Bush and Cheney end up in orange jumpsuits in some Federal stockade then you are shiny. After all if only the President can do this then it's easy to stop.
So that's the problem. Culture shock, the inability to deal with the idea that 19 random none entities could kill you and 2000 of your neighbours. The horrid realisation that the biggest military in the world can't nescessarily protect you from a determined enemy if he is willing to die to get you.
I can see why living a delusion is preferable.
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AM
I don't think I'm a dupe of the administration. And I tend towards thinking some people in the administration had at a minimum a general warning and kept silent for their own purposes.
As was mentioned earlier it would be very instructive to see who profited from pre-9/11 trading and who very specifically avoided airlines the week previous.
What I don't get is how whole organizations could have been in on it for a long time.
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what a jack off.
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Quote:There is no “national institute for propaganda(sic) and disinformation.” That’s a product of your delusional fantasies. The agency in question is the National Institute of Standards and Technology. And the document I cited, the one you ignored, contains a detailed scientific structural analysis and computer simulation results that demonstrates conclusively that the accepted process of the collapse is not only possible, but probable. You’re obviously very committed to your fantasy.
Originally posted by antimason:
thats what the national institute for propoganda and disinformation claims.. that doesnt make it proven. you can plead to me all day that the impact from the jet, followed by some MINIMAL JET FIRES that burned at most 1000degrees, for 1 hr, to have caused 110 stories to collapse at freefall speeds... but it would never have fallen that way. see your ignoring what even the designers of the building said, which is that they designed it so that a plane crash would MERELY PUNCTURE THE BUILDING! it never would have collapsed controllable into its own footprint- the odds are slim to nil. i suggest you read what the actual engineers have to say... but then no one has talked to the designers since 9.11, since the lead engineer died IN THE TOWERS THAT DAY.. conveniently!
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by Fletch2:
You may be an idiot but I love the hat, is that real tinfoil? Glad to see you are a traditionalist.
it sure is... its not as gaudy as your corporate media goggles.. but it works
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Let's wind this back a little. You claim that the towers could not have fallen just through the impact of planes. Consequently you create an elaborate conspiracy that operates in order to demolish the towers. This in turn results in hundreds of co-conspiritors with the problems associated with such a large operation.
first of all, you seem to aviod the evidence of prior knowledge, like executive order 199i, where Bush told the FBI to BACK OFF BIN LADENS TRAIL. why is this important? because our claim is that these 19 hijackers were patsies, trained at AMerican bases, with American visas.. but most importantly with federal protection. and of course... you neglect the significance of OPERATION NORTHWOODS< where our government IN WRITING PROPOSED TO ATTACK AMERICANS THEMSELVES! their are too many variables to consider, that simply giving 19 hijackers the credit for changing America forever is just too gullible and unrealistic - when after 9/11, our federal government received untold TRILLIONS in money to do whatever the f-ck they pleased, carte blanche... because Americans bought the lie hook -line and sinker
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Even ignoring the fact that 1) it is possible to knock down a building with a plane
sure, 4 planes(3 hits), 4 buildings, 75% of their targets, all completely destroyed but the pentagon... it may be possible, but WHAT ARE THE ODDS??? seriously..
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2) the unlikelyhood that such a conspiracy could be maintained your theory has a far bigger problem.
alqaeda can pull off conspiracies, but intelligence agencies with their multi=billion dollar budgets and compartmentalized security clearances cant.. right
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That problem is that according to your theory the ultimate objective of the attack is not to destroy the building but to create a political environment that could be used to inact legislation like the patriot act and start the Iraq war. I would contend that crashing the planes into the buildings alone would have achieved that objective, even if the buildings hadn't fallen the result would have been hundreds of deaths and millions of dollars of infrastructure damage.
if the buildings hadnt collapsed, you think we'd be where we are today?? 9/11 barely works for the "war on terror", and has almost no relevance to Iraq... if the buildings hadnt collapsed and shocked the hell out of americans, it would have been just another oklahoma city bombing. besides.. they needed to destroy the evidence.. like the plane reconstructions. (since we might find out they were military craft)
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In many ways having the towers still standing would have served as a even better advertisement for the administrations policies since they would have been an even more visable symbol that America had been attacked. If we believe as you do that the majority of the added conspiritors are involved in some way with demolishing the buildings then why bother?
to remove the evidence.. and as Hitler said 'it is much easier to believe a big lie than a small one'
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You can acheive the same effect without demolition and the risk of discovery is less.
no, the risk of uncovering the evidence would have been greater, without 2 110 story buildings nearly vaporizing. the bottome line is Bushs bro Marvin and his company Securacom put those incendiary devices in the building, since mainstream news accounts even claim that scheduled 'maintance' closed down many of the floors prior to 9/11
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If you proposed the theory that members of the administration with the help of Saudi Intelligence organised an attack on the WTC using hijacked airliners that INADVERTANTLY destroyed the building, that would be a plausable theory because it involves less than 50 people.
saudis, israelis.. the bin laden family
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:There is no “national institute for propaganda(sic) and disinformation.” That’s a product of your delusional fantasies. The agency in question is the National Institute of Standards and Technology. And the document I cited, the one you ignored, contains a detailed scientific structural analysis and computer simulation results that demonstrates conclusively that the accepted process of the collapse is not only possible, but probable. You’re obviously very committed to your fantasy.
Originally posted by antimason:
thats what the national institute for propoganda and disinformation claims.. that doesnt make it proven. you can plead to me all day that the impact from the jet, followed by some MINIMAL JET FIRES that burned at most 1000degrees, for 1 hr, to have caused 110 stories to collapse at freefall speeds... but it would never have fallen that way. see your ignoring what even the designers of the building said, which is that they designed it so that a plane crash would MERELY PUNCTURE THE BUILDING! it never would have collapsed controllable into its own footprint- the odds are slim to nil. i suggest you read what the actual engineers have to say... but then no one has talked to the designers since 9.11, since the lead engineer died IN THE TOWERS THAT DAY.. conveniently!
yah.. my fantasy keeps me vigilante against lies that you are all too willing to endulge. what happened to the pentagon then friend?? wheres the plane? whers the footage? show it too me.. since WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED? im sure you can find clips of the impact, maybe some that the FBI stole from surrounding locations? theyve got to give them back sometime right?
i mean, if it was just a commercial airliner, what are they hiding that we havent seen before?? maybe something other than a 757... thats the joke: relying on scripted propoganda from the Pentagon, when they wont even show us the evidence themselves. some republic you arrogantly defend.. the same ones who lie to your face and steal your wealth
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Originally posted by rue:
AM
I don't think I'm a dupe of the administration. And I tend towards thinking some people in the administration had at a minimum a general warning and kept silent for their own purposes.
friend whats the difference? if they knew, and allowed it to happen, then they are complicit, negligent, and exhibited criminal intent. there is probably an incredibly fine line between passively allowing something to occur, and taking part or profittting from it, and the fact that we have the whitehouses own game plan pre-9/11, the PNAC documents, which foretell everything that has happened the last 6 years, that says it all. to think that absolutely no one in government saw this coming.. well thats the fantasy and dillusion. we've been lied to yr after yr from this administration, about SS, the borders, WMDs and Iraq and domestic servelience... i am honostly baffled that people would STILL trust anything that the white house says, ESPECIALLY about 9/11 prior knowledge. these people are traitorous scum, and do not deserve any allegience whatsoever from anyone; theyve done nothing but destroy America
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As was mentioned earlier it would be very instructive to see who profited from pre-9/11 trading and who very specifically avoided airlines the week previous.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/12_06_01_death_profits_pt1.h
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this is just one of many links that cover the same news event. this alone should blow any notion that our intelligence agencies were caught off guard with the attacks; when they knew full well, and actuall profitted, by receiving bloated budgets and increased authority. if that is all that is needed to gain more money and power, why not just skip the middle man and attack yourself..? believe me... its more common than anyone realizes
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What I don't get is how whole organizations could have been in on it for a long time.
because the CIA is an illegal creation to begin with... just like the Fed, and its front groups the CFR and Tri-Lateral commission. study the history of any one of these groups, and it should become clear to you that it is the mindset of the individual that initiates their selection into the conspiracy(if they were not already born into it via an elite family)
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Even ignoring the fact that 1) it is possible to knock down a building with a plane
sure, 3 planes, 4 buildings, 75% of their targets, all completely destroyed but the pentagon... it may be possible, but WHAT ARE THE ODDS??? seriously..
1) The Pentagon is a low rise building. The forces that tore the WTC apart were therefore not present.
2) When it was built the Pentagon was seriously over engineered because it was a military command center and a war was comming.
3) The Pentagon is MASSIVE, so large that it is one of only 2 buildings in the US to have it's own postal code.
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2) the unlikelyhood that such a conspiracy could be maintained your theory has a far bigger problem.
alqaeda can pull off conspiracies, but intelligence agencies with their multi=billion dollar budgets and compartmentalized security clearances cant.. right
Exactly. There is a reason that terrorist units work in small cells because it is easier to keep a secret if fewer people know. The conspiracy you propose needs hundreds if not thousands of people to be involved that is a lot harder to do.
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That problem is that according to your theory the ultimate objective of the attack is not to destroy the building but to create a political environment that could be used to inact legislation like the patriot act and start the Iraq war. I would contend that crashing the planes into the buildings alone would have achieved that objective, even if the buildings hadn't fallen the result would have been hundreds of deaths and millions of dollars of infrastructure damage.
if the buildings hadnt collapsed, you think we'd be where we are today?? 9/11 barely works for the "war on terror", and has almost no relevance to Iraq... if the buildings hadnt collapsed and shocked the hell out of americans, it would have been just another oklahoma city bombing. besides.. they needed to destroy the evidence.. like the plane reconstructions. (since we might find out they were military craft)
When were they military craft?
You see again where you over complicate things. If you crash jet airliners into buildings then you don't need the building to collapse to "cover up the evidence" because the evidence would support the established facts. What I think you are saying here is that you crash disguised military planes into the WTC to ensure their total destruction. That total destruction being nescessary to cover up the fact that they were hit by military planes? Man that is so stupid and redundant I don't know where to start.
Aw forget it.
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In many ways having the towers still standing would have served as a even better advertisement for the administrations policies since they would have been an even more visable symbol that America had been attacked. If we believe as you do that the majority of the added conspiritors are involved in some way with demolishing the buildings then why bother?
to remove the evidence.. and as Hitler said "it is much easier to believe a big lie than a small one"
But if you really did crash an airliner into a building what evidence are you covering up?
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willing to die for what? Allah? id sure like to see Atta explain himself in the afterlife, when he is asked why he was seen at a strip club, wearing gold and drinking hard liquor just days prior to the attacks; im sure thats how a TRUE devout muslim becomes a martyr for his god
Part of the principle of Jihad is that Martyrs are absolved from sin. They have to be if you think about it since the killing of women and children even in war is expressly forbidden by the Koran. The very act of 9/11 is illegal in most interpretations of the religion. If your interpretation of Muslim ideology gives you a pass for mass murder then a couple of beers are hardly an issue.
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why havent we been attacked since 9/11? was it because the patriot act, or homeland security, or just the overall outstanding job BUsh has done securing our ports of entry.. like say THE BORDERS??!! let me get this straight.. lets tap all phone calls, remove habeas corpus, wage an unconstitutional preemptive war in Iraq... all because of terror, right, cause its this unprecedented threat.. only lets leave the nations borders wide open
theres nothing consistant about that.. because their is nothing genuine about the threat of terror; it is and always has been a political creation, to rally people to ask for their own enslavement, for the protection of big brother against these bad boogeymen who 'hate america' and want global jihad
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