the cold hard scientific facts: 9/11 was an inside job

POSTED BY: antimason
UPDATED: Sunday, January 14, 2007 09:17
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ANTIMASON

Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:33 PM

this is really sad... im the only one who see's through this bull shit??

i suppose the patriot act was just a spontaneous response to 9/11... and homeland security, the Iraq war... i mean, granted it was all foretold in the 1997/2000 PNAC documents by the neonazis in office... but what a convenient tragedy to bring these plans out of the drawer and into fruition?? i mean.. Rice said we had no idea this could happen(even though they got a memo 5 days before)

and i guess Bush really is concerned about terrorism, and has as his first order of business to seal the borders huh?? right? i suppose this whole SPPA agenda to create a pan American union is a conspiracy?

open your eyes!

ANTIMASON

Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:37 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
Just a note.

about 20 years ago the BBC had a show called something like "you have control" where teams consisting of a random celeb and a member of the public where given control of vaious types of vehicle. The show finished every week with the teams on BA's Concorde simulator where they simulated the famous disaster movie scenario "the crew is taken sick, you must land the plane." Not one of these teams, who had never flown before, ever crashed in normal fight. A couple completely screwed the landing but most actually landed ok just overshot the runway. IIRC two teams made perfect landings.

The secret? The automatic pilot can fly the plane solo, all you need to do is give it a heading and it will take you where you want to go. Even Concordes flight landing aids, though not state of the art at that time, were good enough to help bring her down. All you needed to do was know what lines to keep the various pointers between, kids raised on modern video games would have no problems.

So flying a plane is not biggie. The difficult paty is getting airborne and landing, neither of which was a problem in this case.

hmm.. well thats interesting!! i wish someone had said something before..

im gonna have to head on down to my local airport and apply for a Pilot position; ill list "Ace Combat" for SEGA Genesis as my work experience...

DJTOES

Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:55 PM

I watched the "Loose Change" video. really interesting. Rasies some questions about the crash at the Pentagon. If a plane crashed into it, then were are the impact marks from the wings? It also shows tiny explosions inside the two towers, which look like a controlled explosion for a demolistion. Now, don't get me wrong. 9/11 was a terrible tradgey. All those lives lost...horrible. And the real question is. Why would it be done on purpose?
But here's another tidbit to think about. My best friend, who's enlisted in the (U.S.) Air Force said that he was told that the military shot down flight 93. That the passengers did not take over and crash the plane. That is a very distrubing thought.

They ain't cuddly like me.

ANTIMASON

Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:36 PM

thats a good documentary... and all it does it raise questions, based on the evidence, that entirely contradicts the official story. apparently they sent search teams over an 8 mile radius looking for passengers and wreckage.. they were covering their tracks most likely.

the fact of the matter is, and no one here has any explanation for it otherwise, but Norman Minetta, secretary of the transportation, testified that CHeney refused to shoot down the aircraft headed towards the pentagon! see mr. Minettas testimony yourselves

SEVENPERCENT

Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:40 PM

I can't BELIEVE I'm responding to this. I was probably confused by the massive storm of agreement that happened when Geez agreed with 'Zen. Sigh.

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Originally posted by antimason:
right... Alqaeda needed "years of planning" to fool the FAA, NORAD, take flight training, learn the ins-and outs of commercial airline systems... and then wait till the LAST MINUTE, the very morning, to buy the tickets?

Let's go through this slowly. Maybe you aren't breathing when you read or post, and it's causing oxygen deprivation. They didn't have to "fool" anyone to do what they did. They took advantage of the system.
1. Poor baggage/carry-on screening let them slip knives on a plane.
2. Flight training was available to anyone in this country, with no oversight.
3. Buying a ticket ahead of time would get them placed on the manifest. Buying a ticket early might flag them on a watch list. After coming up with a plan, why would you chance ruining it by getting your name placed on a list before the last minute? You really are that dense, aren't you?

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get real. Mohammed Atta even coincidentally left luggage behind in Boston with a conveneint list of all his accomplices and a terror "training manual".. what an F-cken JOKE!

Why wouldn't he? Use your brain. If his mission was successful, would he ever NEED that luggage again? "Yes, let's remove all luggage and evidence so no one can find out that I've martyred myself against the great enemy! Who needs to know, besides, I may want that luggage in the afterlife!"

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which somehow miraculously survived the intense fireball of the crash, that supposedly caused a 110 story building to melt and EXPLODE into its footprint in 10 sec.

Light things tend to survive flaming impacts. They are blown out of the impact site. It's a fact of physics.

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i mean.. whos the conspiracy theorist?

Still you.

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yah.. and NORAD HAS NEVER BEFORE FAILED TO RESPOND TO 4 SEPERATE altered flights or hijackings either;

Uhhh...when had it happened before?

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that takes government complicity, the hijackers ALONE COULD NOT HAVE PULLED IT OFF!

It takes complacency. "Hey Dave - where's flight 93? I dunno Bill, I was getting a cup of coffee. Maybe the radar's broken. Give it 15 mins. or so, and try to call them."

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what kind of sheep would have played it cool and let some alleged "hijacker" compromise the lives of an entire plane, equipped solely with some *box cutters?

Ones that are trained to. Dear Christ, you just aren't getting it. They told pilots and stewardesses to comply with the requests of hijackers so no one would get hurt. It was standard policy. And, if you've never seen a razor cutter, they aren't toys. You can open someone up from top to bottom with a good slice - they're dangerous. The hijacker pulled a knife, said do what we tell you. The staff, as they were trained to, complied, thinking they would land in a foreign country and be safe. Who the fuck knew they were going to unload into a building?

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engage any number of levers and guages and switches you see..and try to fly that at 200-300 mph and hit 75% of your targets

THEY WERE TRAINED PILOTS! They had attended flight school! How hard is turning a plane for a trained pilot? You said they performed maneuvers an airforce vet couldn't have. How the fuck couldn't an airforce vet turn a plane? Turn stick to right, turn stick straight, decscend, aim at building. Where is the complex loop-de-loops you are suggesting they performed?

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when their own flight school instructors HERE IN AMERICA said they couldnt fly Cesnas.

Said they couldn't LAND cessnas worth a damn. Big difference. They didn't need to land them well.

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for a 757 thats almost phsyically impossible, with air resistance and turbulance,

If it's impossible, genius, how do planes even land? They come down at airspeeds of over 200 mph, at steep angles, and aim at runways smaller tha

SIMONWHO

Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:43 PM

As it hasn't been directly clarified in this thread - the reason why the terrorist's names (as well as a few others) aren't listed in the passenger manifold lists was due to the FAA not being able to contact their families (unsurprisingly) and therefore they couldn't be released. You can read the BBC's clarification here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/10/911_conspiracy_theory_1.
html

I have no problem with people who believe conspiracy theories except for those who keep propogating that which they know to be untrue or irrelevant in the name of "creating a counter-myth". Yup, the fire wouldn't reach the temperature to melt steel. But it far surpassed the temperature at which steel loses its strength. And if I see that inaccurate mock-up of the plane's wingspan one more time...

What does it say about a person that they'd rather believe, in the face of overwhelming evidence, that it was the government of a country that committed mass murder rather than an organisation which identifies itself as being hellbent on destroying and killing Western nations?

FLETCH2

Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by antimason:

hmm.. well thats interesting!! i wish someone had said something before..

im gonna have to head on down to my local airport and apply for a Pilot position; ill list "Ace Combat" for SEGA Genesis as my work experience...

Sarcasm just makes you look like a loser and does nothing to advance your case.

Fact is that most of the work done on airliners in the past 30 years has been to make them easier to fly. Why? because the easier it is the safer it is. People make mistakes when they are stressed and tired and most plane crashes are the result of pilot error. The easier and less stressfull it is the less risk of pilot error.

The reason you spend a lot of time and expense training pilots is not hand/eye co-ordination but the ability to effectively multitask and respond appropriately in crisis situations. Theoretically you can learn all you need to learn about the mechanics of flight with MS flight simulator the experience and training to deal with the bad situations is what a professional brings to the table.

ANTIMASON

Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:06 PM

you guys are all hopelessly lost.. but go on! keep believing in your the myth of alqaeda, let Bush erect concentration camps and patriot act 5 and 6, engage in ww3 in the middle east, destroy and bankrupt our nation... and tell me how many lives you saved from "terrorists" in the meantime?

if you believe that temperatures from fire weakened the structures, show me ONE OTHER INSTANCE IN HISTORY! show me any building thats ever collapsed other than a demolition, and lets see how IT FALLS! for the towers to fall at FREE FALL SPEEDS, your telling me that 10 stories collapsed, vanished, EVERY SECOND! every floor would have had to buckle and fail simultanously and symetrically... and not to mention explode!

believe what you want.. theres no stopping the American Nazi party anyway and all of you who want ww3 with the middle east and an end to American sovereignty

ANTIMASON

Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch2:

Sarcasm just makes you look like a loser and does nothing to advance your case.

i wish i knew a commercial airline pilot.. id ask him why they bother going through flight school at all.. apparently its a complete waste of time aye?

their is so much historical evidence that points to a conspiracy by the world central banks(to financially enslave everyone), and ive told you all again and again.. but at the end of the day, youll take what Sean Hannity spews out as GOSPEL FACT! when theyll NEVER TOUCH on the subject(because they ARE PART OF THE SYSTEM NOW)

DJTOES

Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:12 PM

Look, I'm not saying the government did this. I don't want to believe in an evil government. there's no doubt in my mind that there are threats by terrorists againist my country or anyone elses. I'm not saying that 9/11 was an inside job. I was just saying that the Loose Change video gives intresting, yet very distrubing ideas. I don't know if what they say is true and there is no proof to back it up. I'm just pointing out that idea and what my friend said.

They ain't cuddly like me.

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