the cold hard scientific facts: 9/11 was an inside job
POSTED BY: antimason
UPDATED: Sunday, January 14, 2007 09:17
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I find it quite amusing that nobody has responded to my previous post.......
You got a point Anthonyt. I look at some of the people who post here, and although I agree with much of what they say, I realize that if I take an extremeist and fanatical approach to it, I will be ignored, laughed at, ripped on, etc....
Unfortunately, I've been at work all night and I haven't been able to watch the video because we don't have audio here. I'm well aware of the many conspiracy theories regarding this and other similar incidents, such as Pearl Harbor.
A lot of it is hard to grasp, but being a person who has absolutely no faith in our Government's desire to protect its people, or at least no more faith that they do than they don't, I am inclined to stay somewhere in the middle on issues such as these, leaning more twoards the "Our Government is out to fuck us, or at least lies when it says it gives a shit" point of view. There are eleventy billion different things that could have happened that day. They could be reported and witheld many different ways. I won't pretend to know all of them or even attempt to discuss all of them.
Government is a business, like any other. The only difference is, America's Government is the biggest business in the world. Presidents and other PR people come and go, but the gears in the Pentagon and beyond never stop turning. For the many reasons that HKCAVALIER said and more, it would be very plausable for manevolent intentions stateside to be the root cause of 9/11, and I don't believe that it would have been all that difficult to cover up. I think the way things are run today just lend to things getting covered up almost by themselves.
The very fact that these ideas are scary are enough to turn 80% of the population away from them because, to tell you the truth, I wish I didn't ever think them myself. Sometimes I just want the blue pill. I find no enjoyment swimming against the tide, and there is no way in hell that I would ever want to be famous. I feel terrible for celebritys and the shit they put up with everyday.
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Anyways, you asked for it, so here's my theory:
As I stated above, perhaps there were explosives rigged in the building at the time it was erected, as a last resort self destruct mechanism created to minimize any impact any tragic event may have caused if the towers were to fall over and cause a dominoe effect thruought the city of New York. Think about how long it took just to clean a couple of wrecked buildings up. Now imagine 10, or 20 or 30 or more. Imagine all of those lives from the other buildings that could have been saved if proper safety measures, such as tactically placed and well hidden charges of C4 that would explode when certain conditions were met under the most dire of circumstances, had been put into place.
This may seem far fetched, but think about the buildings we're talking about. This wasn't your local McDonalds and Burger King. Look at the Skyline of New York and see how different it looks now. They were both very prominant and easy targets. Not only that, but we're talking two of the strongest symbols of Capitalism the world has ever known, if not the strongest. I'm going to go as far as to say that those towers were begging to be destroyed by outside forces with an agenda. Somebody had to know this, or at least be wary of the possibility of it, before the towers were built and business was conducted there. Higher ups in Big Gov didn't get where they were at because they were stupid or were severly lacking in foresight.
I've worked in small unmarked buildings in the middle of nowhere, or in industrial parks whose purposes are to do things that may or may not make them a target for outsiders. The people who chose these buildings had the foresight to pick small, inconspicuous and unmarked buildings that blend into the American landscape. I just can't swallow that the creators of the Towers and the people behind the curtain didn't have the same sage foresight.
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Jack, i'm beginning to suspect we're related somehow - those exact thoughts occured to me when I saw em freefall.
My own take on it is the usual mishmash of what happens when you have a government involved at all - some folk caught wind of the plot, helped it along, some folk were just plain incompetent, some folk were playing petty power games instead of doin the job, and most of them never took it seriously, and some of those folk sandbagged the hell out of folk who woulda brought it up via the usual round of office politics, and a couple folk played on it for their own benefit and financial gain, before and after the fact.
I don't think we're lookin at one grand all-encompassing conspiracy, I think we're lookin at a whole crapload of nasty, petty little ones on top of each other due to the greedy, corrupt, self-serving nature of government officals.
This thing likely came to be in the same fashion an avalanche does, some pebble dropped somewhere, and it kept hittin other pebbles and whammo.
Did some folks "know" ?
Hell yes.
Did some folks "not know" ?
Of course.
Did some folks just out and out fumble the ball ?
Obviously.
A true FUBAR isn't usually the work of a great grand conspiracy, but rather more often a crapload of little petty ones playing off each other, and I really think that's what we should be looking for here.
You wanna find the folks who "knew" - find out who the shortsellers of airline stock were that day.. notice how quickly THAT investigation was buried, for example.
Malice, stupidity, incompetence, office politics, and good old fashioned beauracracy are the prime suspects - matching those to specific individuals isn't too hard once you break it down.
You think about it from that aspect, review the evidence, and you'll probably be able to figure out who was where in that chain of events.
Human nature betrayed us, is what it is.
-Frem
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Quote:I'll make this quick: we'll never know. In fact, we'll be better off not knowing. Imagine what would happen if it were proved - ie actual government documents, not someone giving his opinion on YouTube (I know it was a recording of an actual speech) - what would happen next? I'm not saying the War On Terror is a good thing (far from it), but what do you think would happen to the world if it were known that the United States Government had some hand in orchestrating the events of that day?
Originally posted by antimason:
this here is basically the video that removes all speculation and debate ( although certainly not the first and only)
and i challenge everybody to watch this video and still affirm (if not completely dissassociate)your allegience with the "establishment"
its no longer up for debate.. the governments account, as summarized by the 9/11 commission report, is SCIENTIFICALLY AND PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE! the only conclusion to be drawn from the evidence is that it was not arab "terrorists" with 'alqaeda'
if you want to debate me on this issue... specifically the events of that day, bring it on! Hero, Auraptor, Geezer...and those of you on the fence:
i want it to be clear by the end of this thread that only elements within the US government could have orchestrated 9/11. the relevence of this subject is so great that it alters all that is generally accepted among corporate mainstream media and popular history. unless you include the coverup of 9/11 as a premise to your worldview, along with its subsequent ramifications.. you will forever be stuck within the controlled paradigm of corporate media and its banking slavemasters
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Quote:That's a very good point, HK.
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
That kind of thing would require a vast beaurocracy, hundreds if not thousands of people would have to be kept silent--it's just not possible.
I spent a couple of weeks talking to an octogenarian dad of a high school classmate. A German citizen, he was drafted to serve in the German army during WWII. He said that during his service, there were rumors, here and there, that there were concentration camps killing Jews. But he and fellow soldiers just dismissed those rumors, even from purported eyewitnesses, as impossible conspiracy theories devised by people who want attention or were drunk or can't stand authority, etc. He explained that nobody believed that their own government would be capable of such extremes, until post-war exposure of those camps.
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Quote:
Originally posted by antimason:
this here is basically the video that removes all speculation and debate ( although certainly not the first and only)
and i challenge everybody to watch this video and still affirm (if not completely dissassociate)your allegience with the "establishment"
its no longer up for debate.. the governments account, as summarized by the 9/11 commission report, is SCIENTIFICALLY AND PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE! the only conclusion to be drawn from the evidence is that it was not arab "terrorists" with 'alqaeda'
if you want to debate me on this issue... specifically the events of that day, bring it on! Hero, Auraptor, Geezer...and those of you on the fence:
i want it to be clear by the end of this thread that only elements within the US government could have orchestrated 9/11. the relevence of this subject is so great that it alters all that is generally accepted among corporate mainstream media and popular history. unless you include the coverup of 9/11 as a premise to your worldview, along with its subsequent ramifications.. you will forever be stuck within the controlled paradigm of corporate media and its banking slavemasters
I'd be interested to see what info you have on the faked Apollo moon landings.
And the Kennedy assassination.
And the UFO landings at Roswell.
And that the earth is flat.
And how Santa can drive that sleigh around the Earth in 24 hours.
Fascinating stuff, all.
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Well, I watched the video up until the point at which he started talking about "...the temperature at which steel melts...", and then I knew it was a waste of time. The temperature at which steel melts is of no consequence to the argument.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by citizen:
I've seen no evidence that compels me to believe that the buildings collapsed from anything but by being hit by two fucking great big flying bombs.
I've seen plenty of evidence that requires the people masterminding and carrying off the various conspiracies to be super human.
Maybe satan is behind it, he's about the only guy who could, Bush sure as hell couldn't.
Stop the presses! Alert the media! Citizen and I agree 100% on something.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:
Originally posted by antimason:
i want it to be clear by the end of this thread that only elements within the US government could have orchestrated 9/11.
Damn! There goes my Canadian-Micronesia Cabal theory.
I think that you are ignoring the possibility that Islamic Terrorists infiltrated the WTC and set it to implode, then hyjacked the planes and crashed them into the WTC to cover up their real plot.
Or the really outside chance that superheated steel and damaged structural supports caused the upper floors to collapse and start a chain reaction that resulted in the complete destruction of both buildings.
I think the one thing we can all agree on is that, if it was an inside job...Nicholas Cage would make a good villian for the movie. Now I watched World Trade Center the movie and Cage's character does not "appear" to be involved. Maybe the director's cut will show it.
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Quote:Yep, classic ‘magic bullet’ bullshit. Ignore the details and force the issue to fit a single shallow intolerant argument in order to compel a preconceived notion. It’s a card trick. And Dr. Fetzer thinks we’re stupid enough to buy it. I actually watched the whole thing from beginning to end, and it just got more stupid as it when it along. I am now dumber for having wasted an hour of my life watching that nonsense.
Originally posted by Geezer:
Well, I watched the video up until the point at which he started talking about "...the temperature at which steel melts...", and then I knew it was a waste of time. The temperature at which steel melts is of no consequence to the argument.
For anyone else who wants to watch it, be my guess, but you would be better off reading the NIST FAQ, which will give you actual honest answers, not card tricks. (Or if you have time, you may read the NIST Final Report on the WTC collapse, which is very technical reading, but much more detailed.)
Now personally, I think it was aliens who hired Bigfoot to shoot the towers with the magic bullet.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Hey! Its the Table of Contents to the 'Hitchhikers Guide to Crazy Talk'
Introduction by Barbara Steisand
Chapter 1: Moon Landings...Yeah Right
Chapter 2: Kennedy Really Killed by _________
Chapter 3: Elvis has not left the Building
Chapter 4: No Holocaust, All those Jews are still alive and secretly running the world from an underground bunker in Hollywood.
Chapter 5: 9/11...Not only did it never really happen, but the US Govt. is Responsible
Chapter 6: Fixed Elections since 1872
Chapter 7: Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton
Chapter 8: Reality TV and You
Chapter 9: They want your guns
Chapter 10: 101 Uses for Tin Foil
Chapter 11: Aliens from Space
Chapter 12: Aliens from Mexico
Chapter 14: Aliens from NAFTA (With a special analysis of Ross Perot's ears)
Chapter 15: What really happened to Chapter 13
Chapter 16: The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
Chapter 17: The Even Vaster Left Wing Conspiracy
Chapter 18: The Really Really Vast Centrist Conspiracy
Chapter 19: Contrails
Chapter 20: DUI Laws and PirateNews
Its goes on...its a long book, but doesn't really say anything.
H
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