Subtle yet interesting show observations -- post yours
POSTED BY: AnimalM0ther
UPDATED: Friday, December 7, 2007 19:19
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Originally posted by Volk564:
...three (most likely one): River wasn't screaming about the fact that Jayne said "we gotta book," but that she knows where they're going to Book too - namely, a trap, or four: none of the above, and I'm just crazy.
Just a thought.
I think it's the third option. The brain screen goes kind of crazy right before she starts screaming, which I think might indicate that it is recording her psychic powers. But, if I recall correctly, Simon isn't looking at the screen at that moment, he's looking at Jayne. (Haven't watched it in awhile, so I could be wrong). So he misses the whole thing. Of course, according to the escape in the BDM, I guess he already knows.
Hope that means you aren't crazy ;)
It is my understanding that when Jayne says they have to go (does he say they gotta book? Didn't notice that), that's when the image of River's brain starts acting up, showing all the areas of her brain that are reacting to her psychic understanding of Jayne's betrayal, reason why she then screams. And Simon is looking at Jayne, yes, so he does miss it. It is a really interesting scene because Ariel is one of those episodes where River's psychic abilities become startling real to the viewer...
He actually says 'we gotta do this by the book' which is, incidentally a whopping lie... which may be why River reacted...
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Originally posted by asarian:
Shindig.
I've always wondered how long River's been listening in on Badger and henchmen before she wandered in, allegedly all confused. And this because River says: "Now you're what, petty thief with delusions of standing?"
What standing? Or rather, what standing that River knows of? It can really only refer to her having overheard Badger say: "Persephone's my home. I gotta do business with the people here. I don't want it known I brought someone in caused this kinda ruckus." But that convo took place several minutes ago. Which means River has been eavesdropping for quite a bit, all the way through the crew discussing strategy, and up and until Jayne's "We need a diversion." Then River happens to wander in, and provides one (the idea of the possibility of Jayne getting nekkid was probably too much for her to stomach, lol).
Seems River played Badger. From minute one.
Someone posted a while ago about Badger cutting up his apple like Mal and Zoe do...
Interestingly enough, River makes the comment in her little cockney homily that 'she's known plenty like him before... skipped off a little early...'
From what? ...ahuh! River knows he was a deserter... but from which side? Was he, per-maybe-haps one of the Alliance fighters who used the old apple trick...? Or one of the receivers of said nastiness (clearly not ACTUAL receiver, otherwise he'd be ended at the ribcage!)?
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Originally posted by KevinGrey:
One thing I haven’t seen anyone mention thus far, is prescience. Psychometry, telepathy and others have been mentioned, but in OoG, I believe she mentions “fire” twice, each time, Simon thinking she’s talking about the candles on his cake, before the explosion occurs.
In this, there were no minds to read, no objects to read. It really could only have been a “foretelling”.
KevinGrey,
I'm definitely with you on the prescience (or precognition, as I generally call it; though I suppose the former is a subset of the latter; but I digress). Your OoG example is as good as irrefutable: no way she could have knowed about the fire unless she foreknew (one could argue that perhaps, sub-consciously, she picked up on a weird vibe of the engine or some such; but that still don't explain her ability to foresee the upcoming fire).
There's a similar moment in Ariel:
RIVER
(to Simon)
You have to help him.
SIMON
River, we don't have time to...
RIVER
(loud)
He's killing him!
Now, River, smart as she is, ain't no Doctor. Even if she knew what the young Intern was going to administer, she doesn't know Alprazaline, combined with droxine, is going to kill the man. And she really couldn't have read the Intern's mind about it either, as the poor lad was himself oblivious to the fact that this combination is lethal!
Your subtle observations also bring me to OiS. River walks up to a laughing Simon and Kaylee, then hears Simon say: "I would be there right now." It is generally believed she's reading Simon's (subconscious) mind at the time. And this is very well possible. But Simon also just happens to repeat that exact same line later in the episode, as he's standing in the hallway, with Kaylee:
SIMON
I'm... I thought the hospital was
home. I was really making a
difference there... and
embarrassingly large stacks of money,
and I could've... I WOULD BE THERE
RIGHT NOW if she hadn't...
Granted, that's not as strong; but with all the prescience going on, who knows.
Just my two coppers. :)
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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam
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In The Train Job, when River was having her flashbacks, leaps off the bed, and, still disoriented, starts to walk about sick bay. She can be seen to walk under one of the ship's surgical lamps, and is immediately triggered again, it seems, as she frantically covers her face for that exact moment. Never noticed that before.
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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam
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Originally posted by Misstressahara:
Well, since I haven't seen it mentioned by anyone else, and it came to be a topic of conversation a few years earlier I can proudly be the one to bring it up.
In the movie when Mal is in his room looking at the video of Inarah (this is lead from the line Kaylee makes about pushing Inarah away) they pan out to show him sitting watching the vid, (you must look close, it goes by quick) what do we see in front of him? Can you see? Can you see? Hup, that's right kiddies, it's his toilet, his john, his thrown, seat down. I didn't see it until the second viewing, but when I did I
re-wround and paused and sure enough, there it is. Joss did it, he got the FIRST toilet in space. Good on ya Joss.
There are more from the tv, but I won't mention them for now. I love these threads.If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting.
I saw that one as well; I just wasn't paying attention, 'cause I've no attention span. but, heh, not the FIRST, 'cause there was one in the series. It just folded up.
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Actually, Kubrick had the first toilet in space, in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
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I'm pointin' right at it!
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Great thinking and thank you for adding it.
My pleasure, FollowMal. I’m glad you found something of value in it.
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I'm definitely with you on the prescience (or precognition, as I generally call it; though I suppose the former is a subset of the latter; but I digress).
Asarian:
I would agree, either could apply.
Although, precognition, for me, is the action itself. Prescience is more applied to the presence of the ability or action, as I understand it. One can say: “I am precognitive,” though, generally that is applied to dreams, or other abilities, rather than to an individual.
Although they busted this all to hell in Minority Report. :P
I think some of the confusion on this stems from associations with “Clairvoyance” (Prescience) and “Clairvoyant” as adjective or noun, depending on usage. She is clairvoyant or she is a clairvoyant are both considered correct.
No stress about it though. Even dictionaries disagree in this and I think they don’t establish a rule, simply because most people don’t even accept such as likely.
Generally, the rule I follow for myself is:
The individual would be prescient, who has, or engages in, precognition or precognitive phenomena. Prescience, is the presence of precognitive abilities, or precognition as a functioning ability.
If someone where to say:
He is precognitive.
Then they would actually be saying that he is here, without cognitive functioning as explanation for his presence.
Which, can be applicable, under certain circumstances.
And it’s nicer than just saying “He has his head up his ass.”
So, the next time you wish to impart a shot that may not be heard before it hits, just tell them they are “precognitive”.
Just make sure they haven’t read this post, first.
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Originally posted by darthvider:
In "Trash", when Jayne and Kaylee are climbing on top of the ship to reprogram the garbage bin, you see Jayne trying to put the line card (or whatever it is) back in the slot. This is before he gets shocked and knocked out.
Anybody ever notice what's on the screen beside him? It's VERY noticable if you know what you're looking at. It's a Windows 2000 desktop. You can very clearly see the Start button, the Task bar (with programs running), the default icons on the left-hand side, even the bloody task tray. The biggest thing that caught my attention was the giant InstallShield window right in the middle of the screen, taking up three-quarters of it. It's clear enough that you can almost read "Next" and "Cancel" on the buttons.
Please don't tell me Microsoft is alive and well 500 years in the future!
You also can see the Windoze screen saver around that part too. The one with the logo going to different parts of the screen. Serious lawls.
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This is more of a continuity error but in 'Jaynestown' right before the party sees the statue there is a behind the back shot of them walking and right on Kaylees booty there there are a bunch oil handprints (her wiping her hands off) but one of those handprints has a thumb on the wrong side *wink wink nudge nudge*
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