Subtle yet interesting show observations -- post yours
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UPDATED: Friday, December 7, 2007 19:19
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Did anybody else notice that Saffron is like.... super fine?
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River mouths the words, "The people here stopped fighting" along with the Alliance doctor, kinda hinting that this was the big secret she knew - because you can obviously not read the mind of a hologram, so she couldn't know what she was about to say like when she mouthed words alongside Mal earlier in the movie.Quote:
But with all these examples, one could still argue something else than reader. She could have guessed about Early's past; or just have picked up on Jayne's hightened sense of nervousness after Ariel (which the entire crew seemed to notice, btw). Etc. Culminating, finally, in "full disclosure" at the end of the BDM, where Mal literally spells it out that River's a full reader:
Mal: "... since you already know what I'm about to say."
River: "I do. But I like to hear you say it."
And even then, it's not entirely clear WHEN River unlocked her full reader potential. Maybe the Miranda stuff blocked it partially; or could be she just grew better and better at it over time. Or could be she could do it all along.
One thing I haven’t seen anyone mention thus far, is prescience. Psychometry, telepathy and others have been mentioned, but in OoG, I believe she mentions “fire” twice, each time, Simon thinking she’s talking about the candles on his cake, before the explosion occurs.
In this, there were no minds to read, no objects to read. It really could only have been a “foretelling”. Also with finding the back route out of the hospital in Ariel. Though, arguably, she could have plucked it from a random mind, her control over telepathy seems quite limited when there are more than one or two minds about to be dealt with.
Limited prescience, to my mind is of much more use to an “Assassin”, than strict telepathy since such could be quite muddled in the midst of many minds, especially in the case of the battle with the Reavers. However, having a limited prescience would allow one to foresee actions and react ahead of schedule, as-it-were. Always allowing one to be a “step ahead” when clear and focused.
This isn’t to say that she isn’t also a telepath and/or psychometrist. However, I don’t really see any chance for either of these to have given her foresight of the “fire” in OoG.
Having recently re-read the Dune series, this calls all sorts of possibilities to mind as well. First of all, in the case of the Government/Corporate interest, there would be much more interest in someone with prescience, then there would be in someone with simple telepathy.
In addition, the potential for storyline is immense and I could envision a future where River, having gained some control of her mind and abilities, suddenly becomes certain of a given future potential and comes up against Mal’s innate freedom and choice sense; one who would assuredly balk at the idea of a given destiny.
For myself, in the “subtlety” angle, I think to when River woke up in the hospital on Ariel with the “Copper for a kiss,” remark and the sudden confusion on her face as she assessed Jayne. Quite quick the play of emotions, to me and it seemed that in one moment, she reacted to his reaction, then in the next, sensed something else going on with Jayne and realized what it was.
I likewise think that the “sudden brain activity” that was missed by Simon, and her subsequent scream was in prescient response to the Blue Hands’ imminent arrival.
Just my take on it all of course.
KevinGrey,
I'm a believer in the same theory that Asarian has posited on this subject... but I have to say you brought up something I've barely touched on in conversations and articulated it so very well. I think you're absolutely right. River is prescient.. perhaps in a limited fashion and perhaps Joss meant that ability to flourish as time went by.
As a Dune lover.... I "get" how much she's like an Honored Matre ( did I spell that right? I don't have Chaperhouse: Dune yet )... wild, full of powers too awesome to imagine and a crazy ability to perhaps know the future thrown i
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Did anybody else notice that Saffron is like.... super fine?
(Special) Hell, yeah! She's all kinds of pleasing! :)
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Originally posted by Avatar37:
"In the very last scene with Inara, when she tells Mal she doesn't know if she wants to leave, she has absolutely no makeup on. I have to go back through the shows, but I think that is the first time she has ever been on with no makeup. It was like she was giving up being a Companion. Again, I have to double check, and if I am wrong, please let me know."
I don't think she was giving up being a companion so much as finally feeling comfortable enough around Mal and Serenity as to finally start treating it like her home. Previously, she always made a point that the shuttle was her home. I think, in her own way, it was her way of showing Mal that she loves him.
Uh, can I point out that about 3 minutes prior to this scene, she's up on the side of Serenity, repainting her badge... I think it might have something to do with her focusing on making Serenity beautiful again, applying Serenity's makeup, if you will... the focus is off Inara and Inara's identify being wrapped up in being a companion, and it has turned to Inara being identified as part of Serenity.
I think.
:o)
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Out of Gas: when Zoe asks Mal what the thing on the cargo hold floor was and Mal says it must have been something living there, Zoe is actually standing right over the place where the wounded Mal lying is in the present-day storyline.
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It's as it should be, as sound doesn't travel in space -- or so I've heard.
YES! That made me very happy to see that. It's the frist sci-fi show that i've seen or not heard that. (ha. i crack myself up).
I like seeing all the ads for things when the crew is planet side. Seeing all the Blue Sun stuff in the background. Oh and in Serenity...when they're in the bar. The news reel that's playing is about the Reaver attack and the robbery (well, more like the people surviving in the vault). I just picked up on this when i watched it last. Sweet!
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From "The Message" when we learn that Jayne has a sick brother named Matty .... brothers who both share feminine sounding names.
*Ahem* That would be an endearment of Matthew... which just happens to be my name.
Yeah, I don't think there's anything feminine meant by it. But that letter did get me thinking. I know Jayne's all about Jayne. But why is he so into money. So much to betray the crew. or at least Simon and River. I was thinking maybe part of Jayne is so into money,
1. for himself, cause, hey, buying food, and his many weapons adds up.
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2. He's close to his family. For such a bad ass, he was very fond of his hat from his mother. As I recall, he wore it the entire episode. So yeah, got to thinking. Maybe he's so into money because he wants to help his family. In the letter, it was said that he forwarded some credits. Maybe he's paying for his brother Matty's treatment. Adam Baldwin said that he always wanted to met Jayne's parents. Joss could have done something cool with that. See a softer side of Jayne.
Just a thought.
"When you can't run, you crawl. When you can't crawl, when you can't do that...You find someone to carry you."
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-_- i hate it when my computer fails at posting things.
"When you can't run, you crawl. When you can't crawl, when you can't do that...You find someone to carry you."
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This one's from the BDM:
Did anyone else notice that the Operative only calls Mal "Mal" after he stabs him during the big fight at the end? It's weird!
Before, he only called him "Captain" or "Malcolm", very formal, very proper. But they're fighting, there's the stab...and a look of almost regret passes over the Operative's face, and he murmurs, "Do you know what your sin is...Mal?"
It's almost like only then does he respect the man enough to use the more familiar term. To be almost friendly, in a way.
It's like now, he knows Mal well enough to acknowledge it.
Very subtle, but a very nice touch.
Heh, there's also the benefit that I had to watch the movie all over again just to be sure I hadn't just imagined it. Woo-hoo!
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Sorry to bust that one up, but he actually calls him 'Mal' when he is talking to him on the wave to Serenity after he's put fire to Haven...NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME