Another Jayne question on Ariel
POSTED BY: Siri
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A good 1-1/2" hex wrench to the head really makes you stop and think. Jayne has a brain. It just needs exercise. It is one of the reasons I would love to see the show return. I think Jayne would grow up. He has potential. He just needs direction. Mal's airlock discussion was a good start. Jayne would have needed more of those before completely letting go of his old selfish ways. I would enjoy seeing that happen.
As for Ariel. Jayne may have had a moment when he might have changed his mind, but the moment passed and he was leading the Tams right into the trap. He only released them, during their escape, because he thought they believed he was innocent and he wanted them to contunue to think that. He did not know River was on to him.
After Mal's talk with him through the airlock door, Jayne may have decided to refrain from turning them in again. This does not mean he would go out of his way to help them. I feel Jayne still had doubts about them being on equal terms as far as being members of the crew.
Traveler
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After Mal's talk with him through the airlock door, Jayne may have decided to refrain from turning them in again. This does not mean he would go out of his way to help them. I feel Jayne still had doubts about them being on equal terms as far as being members of the crew.
Near the end of the BDM, in Mal's "They won't see this coming!" speech, when they're sitting at the kitchen table, Jayne can be seen to slide a beer bottle over to Simon. I think Joss meant us to know that, at that point, Jayne has finally accepted the Tams.
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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam
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After Mal's talk with him through the airlock door, Jayne may have decided to refrain from turning them in again. This does not mean he would go out of his way to help them. I feel Jayne still had doubts about them being on equal terms as far as being members of the crew.
Near the end of the BDM, in Mal's "They won't see this coming!" speech, when they're sitting at the kitchen table, Jayne can be seen to slide a beer bottle over to Simon. I think Joss meant us to know that, at that point, Jayne has finally accepted the Tams.
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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam
I think "accepted" is the wrong term. I don't think Jayne will ever accept the Tams in the way the rest of the crew has, even Mal. To me, the sliding of the bottle symbolized Jayne seeing the big picture, and telling Mal, Simon, and the audience that they wouldn't have to worry about a backstab somewhere in the very near future during the operation. Even he felt sickened by what the Alliance had done on Miranda and getting the word out was a bigger priority than any feud.
Just another moment of growth for Adam's character.
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When I saw the movie and watched Jayne go after River to take her away, I don't feel he was going to turn her or her brother in as in Ariel.
He knows the outcome of trying that. In the movie I feel Jayne just wants to get rid of River because she is a threat to the rest of the crew and Mal is determined to protect the Tams. If Jayne accepted the Tams, as the rest of the crew does, he would not gone after River at all and excepted Mal's decision.
After they discover Miranda, Jayne could have stayed behind, he has shown in past that if there is no gain for himself, then he wants no part of any scheme. Jayne stayed with Mal and went to Miranda. There must have been some changes in Jayne during the months from the last Firefly episode and the movie. We missed a lot of interesting situations during those months that caused this change in Jayne. He even quoted Book when he passed that bottle to Simon. "Can't do something smart then do something right." Not sure if I got the quote exact, but that is the main theme. I wish we could have been apart of that growth and seen some of the adventures the crew of the Serenity went through. I am sure Jayne is not the only one who went through changes.
In Ariel, it is Jayne's actions that show he is not part of the crew. Jayne needs to learn what the term crew means to Mal and the others. Mal and Zoe, having fought a war together, have a good understanding of supporting each other. In the very first episode you see Zoe following Mal in the battle of Serenity Valley, when he takes down that flyer. Jayne does not have that sense of team player in Ariel. A wrench to the head makes it clear how Mal feels, but Jayne needs to learn through his own experiences what "crew" is.
These are my thoughts. I have said this before. I am not Joss and will not pretend to know what he had in mind. My opinion is just as valid as my knowledge of Joss is. Of course that knowledge is very little. But thank you for this thread so I may be allowed to express it.
Traveler
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These are my thoughts. I have said this before. I am not Joss and will not pretend to know what he had in mind.
one of the coolest things to me about the show is that Joss wrote a lot (most/all ?) of the possibilities open-ended, without a particular future scheme in mind.
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I saw an interview with Adam Baldwin on Vidilife.com where he talks about Jayne and the new show FF. Adam was saying that Mal is his hero. So through out the show this would be a factor. I think Jayne's idea of family is the crew without tourists. They never seem what they say they our.
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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