Firefly noob - a few observations.....
POSTED BY: Faqa
UPDATED: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:51
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of course i saw it lol. She got shot, but she didn't die.
I guess we can just have a difference of opinion, I just don't think he could have brought himself to kill Kaylee. But we'll have to agree to disagree. lol.
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Originally posted by Faqa:
- Jayne. I realize the series got cut off before he could be properly explored, but WHY is he so afraid of Mal? From the pilot onwards, the man functions as Mal's vicious dog - scary, mean and loyal only to him.
Thats what I love about the show, the sometimes confusing dynamics of the ship that makes it a FAMILY and not just a crew.
My take on this, is to look on the whole crew as dogs or wolves.
Mal's the alpha, from his strength of character more then his strength of body. Yes, he may at times suggest doing something inviolate, or even DO things that might be wrong. "I saw the captain shoot a man, and I'm not sure he did the wrong thing" (roughly quoted from Book)
As the alpha, Mal represents the ship (the pack) in all its dealings good or ill. He decides who eats or starves, who lives or dies.
Jayne's highlight is that he ISNT part of the crew, as much as he does for them. Its been made clear in Jayne's history that he's done time as an alpha himself, and served under other alpha's reluctantly.
Jayne obviously doesnt have the sort of reputation or temperament required to deal with the sorts of people Mal gets jobs from, so would have to give up his meal ticket to fly solo again.
The crew would sooner leave the ship then serve on a ship with Jayne leading the way (firefly or no).
and Jayne's experiences with prior alphas showed that he was used to having the good meat taken from his mouth.
Mal's given Jayne... maybe not a comfortable living... but one thats equal to everyone in the pack... and being treated as an equal is something Jayne is unfamiliar with.
Mind you, being treated as an equal and being an equal are two entirely different things...
Ariel really shook up Jayne too... not only did it highlight to him how badly he would fare on his own (his "good money" from the feds proved to be *insert mandarin for elephant offal*), but Mal told him "You turn on my crew, you turn on me" or basically that if Jayne cant change his ways, he doesnt have a place in the pack.
Regardless of the fact that Mal chose not to keelhaul him for his treachery.
By the time of the movie, we are finally seeing Jayne a little more comfortable with viewing the crew as brothers and sisters and not just people that are taking shares of his take and food.
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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
As for why Jayne didn't use Vera, I had heard that it was a non-firing gun, but that doesn't make any sense since it fires quite convincingly in OMR.
Well, OMR is before War Stories.... So maybe Vera got raped by the decompression thing when It broke the suit and stopped working and now Jayne just uses it as a good luck charm or something...
But he has it in Heart of Gold.... And in Objects in Space he tells Mal that not even Vera could breach the hull that that's the best one he's got...
Maybe it's just because Adam didn't use it whilst they were shooting that scene... Or maybe Jayne could have been waiting for the opertune moment
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As pointed out,vera could barely breach the hull (of serenity at least), 'and she's the best i got mal' but i think that vera is used in the correct circumstances,like if she was the only gun ever shot by jayne,she'd get a bit boring? whereas whenever you see him coming out with vera strapped on, it evokes a 'uh oh! theres gonna be some screamin an bleedin afore todays done!' his whole position is a bit vague at times but you remember mal asked him in front of his previous compadres, theres a place for you on my boat,that shows him mal aint afraid,he has balls and jayne respects that,ok,so he tried playing out but look how that turned out for him? mal couldve left him there to rot,but STILL brought him home,just pecked his tail a little so as jayne understood who the boss is,after that his loyalty to mal is unwavering,he knows he owes............
kaylees annoying you? send her to me and youll never be bothered by her again,i swear it!!!
lets go to the crappy town where im a hero.........
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