Mal kissin' the cross...

POSTED BY: Spookyjesus
UPDATED: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 21:49
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SPOOKYJESUS

Monday, February 16, 2004 9:36 PM

Yeah - great, but can anyone else not see that it's Buffy's cross - seriously - look at it!

SHINY

Monday, February 16, 2004 10:51 PM

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Originally posted by LeeH:
That scene is the (missing) pair to the kissed cross. It is the sign of Mal's lost faith--not in the existence of God, but in His righteousness, His goodness, His justice and mercy. And yes to all of you who have said this; this is Mal's journey, as he comes to terms with his loss of faith while clearly yet keeping some other sort of faith--in honor and goodness and loyalty and freedom from tyrannous authority. . . .

Also, recall that Kaylee tells Mal that he just 'needs to have faith in people'. I think this contrast was even sharper in Joss' original concept, but Mal was lightened up considerably by the time it got onto the air.

Btw spooky, I can't say if it's the same cross because I don't watch Buffy, but for those that do there's a screen cap here:

http://firefly.deadly-nightshade.net/images/serenity/

(it's image number 22 -- four across and four down)

RIVER
Purple elephants are flying.
MAL
Good. Thanks for the update.

SPOOKYJESUS

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:11 PM

Thank you!

There it is in all it's glory!!!!

ANKHAGOGO

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 12:29 AM

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Mal clearly has a moral background, that may or may not be based on a religious upbringing (though it seems the society is much more Victorian, and oddly buttoned up in terms of some aspects). Its a skewed morality (kicking the bad guys into the engine, his joke to Simon about Kaylee, his entire career), but its a morality nonetheless.

I'd just like to point out that morals and religion are two different things. Of course there's overlap -- many people's morals are based on a religious ethic -- but you do not have to be or have ever been religious to have morals.
Mal signed up with the Independents to fight against the Alliance, which I think he found morally reprehensible. He's breaking the laws of the Alliance by smuggling, sure -- but so far, I can't think of anything he's smuggled that's morally wrong to deal in. He's still holding to his morals that what the Alliance does and what it stands for is wrong.
And frankly, I don't see kicking Crow into the engine as any sort of moral problem. He knew Niska's rep,seen what Niska did to an in-law, and couldn't expect better treatment, for himself or his crew. More power to ya, Cap'n.

I'm not sure how much I think Mal still believes in God, though. It seems to me that Mal doesn't want to believe in a God that could let all those Browncoats be killed, then lose what Mal considers to have been a righteous fight.

"But she was naked! And all...articulate!"

IDEFIX

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 1:18 PM

don't know about the cross being Buffy's. it could easily be. looks the same to me but there's really nothing special about how it looks so it's not all that recognisable, is it?

maybe some Buffy fan out there knows what happened to the original cross used in Buffy. if SMG took it as a souvenier or if Joss has it or whatever. when was it last seen on Buffy? I remember her wearing it in S1 and 2 not too sure about later seasons though. but then I never really looked for it.

if you really want to know if it's the same cross you will have to find out what happend to it after Buffy wore it the last time on her show.

but maybe Joss or anyone involved in the shows reads this here and gives in to your curiousity and answers it?

Idefix

PALEHORSE

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:44 PM

I'm still not sure.

SMG is 5' 2 1/2" tall and weighs 102-115 depend upon season

Nathan is considerably larger and the cross still looks thick in his fingers.

I'm thinking it's not Buff's. Could be wrong.

There were prodigies and portents enough, One-Eye says. We must blame ourselves for misinterpreting them. One-Eye's handicap in no way impairs his marvelous hindsight.

SPOOKYJESUS

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 9:49 PM

These are valid points - it is a very simple design so it could just be a coincidence.

But it feels like it is (although I'm not certain if the chain rings through).

I don't know - I'm feeling ready to accept it's not it (I've already accepted that it's not important).

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