Title of Book 7 Harry Potter* SPOILERS*
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Weeeell I know that everyone goes through that stage (having just come out of it) but I dont know anyone that yelled every other time they spoke... still like the books though of course.
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No it's not in the books J.K. Rowling has stated several times that she doesn't want anyone to think she isn't going to kill Harry.
I'm sure you would disagree Yinyang. When I was your age I would have disagreed too, but wait until you've gotten to 25 or so and look back. I'm not saying my students (or you for that matter) are bad kids or unfeeling, just that it is repeatedly demonstrated through studies and direct observation that children go through a stage in teen age years where they are self absorbed. It's needed for them to develop and not a bad thing by any means.
I may be that Harry and his experiences don't really speak to you because you've not had a sense of connection to him, but I can promise you that in the 8 years I've taught teeenagers, Harry and his friends are very typical of the age...that may also be it. You are probably not a typical teen ( being more mature than most and all)and that may be why you don't feel Harry's very realistic:)
"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort."- Albright
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MSG I am with you here.. I think Snape will turn out to be the tragic hero.. along shakespearian lines tragic.. he will do heroic things and only the reader will really know...
I think HP and Voldy will die together.. I think one of the Weasleys also dies, but not sure if it will be Ron or a parent...
I dont think Dumbledore is dead.. or he has become Hogwarts' horecrux... and I think JK has written a tremendous series that is spot on with the evolution of many teens.. not all, but many... I don;t think you are supposed to like HP when he is all moody and in your face, that is the point. ON THE OTHER HAND, all those grown ups flat out lied or hid info from him. He had a right to be angry.
I can imagine that this series is not for everyone, much as our beloved Firefly doesn't appeal to everyone.. but I will be sad when the series ends, and I cannot WAIT to see what JK does for the final book...
Chindi
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Chindi- I totally agree. Poor Snape. Dumbledore forced him to "kill" him and now he's going to have to be, just as Harry was, the person everyone thinks is a psycho when he's really a good guy.
I go back and forth on the Dumbledor is dead issue, but when you realize that she's gone to great pains to describe the effects of the Avada Cadavre curse as leaving the person wide eyed and staring with an expression of horror on their face and Dumbledore is peaceful with his eyes closed..well that makes it questionable... Still I can hardly wait for the last book even if it does make me sad to think it'll be over and there'll be no more Harry left:(
"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort."- Albright
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Originally posted by Chindi:
I think HP and Voldy will die together.. I think one of the Weasleys also dies, but not sure if it will be Ron or a parent...
You're kidding, right? It's going to be Ginny! I don't think anything else will drive Harry to a murderous rage. This also fits with the development of Harry's 'angry' side. I really didn't like book five for a lot of reasons, but I do think there was a point to Harry's anger. It just needed a few more edits is all. That's the problem when someone gets really big and famous; no one will tell them they need to fix something because they're too busy telling them they're the best thing since sliced bread and toast with jam.
As for Snape, my big question would be why the hell he made the Unbreakable Vow in the first place? If he hadn't, I could believe he might still be one of the good guys, but he did and I think he's slimy and needs to die. If he dies defending Harry, I might forgive him. Maybe.
Will Harry die? I sure hope not. It's much more interesting to me if he goes on living and being all haunted by his losses and what he had to do, and is a crazy Defense Against the Dark Arts Teacher at Hogwarts, always giving the kids the evil eye and telling them to practice constant vigilence...
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Originally posted by Chindi:
...or he has become Hogwarts' horecrux...
I hadn't thought of that! D'oh!
King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa
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I will never forgive Snape.He's just rotten & Someone (Sirius) should kick his ass.I really don't believe that he was ever a good guy.But I guess we'll find out soon enough.And I think PR is right -Ginny will die, just so Harry can be even more tortured.Poor Harry.
Bryce
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What I keep wondering is why someone has had to die in every book since #4. I mean really, you still can have a good story without killing all the characters! I could deal with Sirius dying, but Dumbledore was just wrong. He was one of my favorites!
And yeah, I agree that Snape probably isn't entirely a traitor. Otherwise he wouldn't have save arry's life in the first one! Also, Dumbledore must have had some other reason for trusting him for so long.
I soo can't wait for the new one to come out! 
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I think that she had Snape kill him so that we could see thst Dumbledore makes mistakes too.He is only a oerson after all & not all knowing .
His trust of Snape was his downfall...
And I think Snape saved Harry because Voldemort wants to be the one to kill him.
I want this book out now !!!!
Bryce
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Hi, refugee from serenitymovie.org. And I kind of can't help but post my ever expanding "Reasons It Doesn't Appear Snape is Evil, and What I Think His Motives Might Be in not Being Evil" list (copy and pasted, so it might be a little confusing on some posts it references). It's long. Sorry:
First, of course, on the Astronomy Tower. Dumbledore pleads with Snape. First red flag, right there, no question. The reader knows, if they've read the book (and yes, I'm saying those who say Snape is evil haven't read the books), that Dumbledore simply would not plead for his life. It's not even a point of contention, it's fact. Dumbledore won't plead for his life (also, let's just note Dumbledore's complete lack of surprise at seeing Snape), so it's beyond any argument that if Dumbledore is pleading (and he is), it is for something other than his life. Given he says "Severus, please...", it seems quite evident Dumbledore is pleading for Snape to do something. Given we already know Dumbledore won't plead for his life, that's off the table. In the situation, it's apparent enough Snape is on the Death Eaters' side (and it would be abundantly apparent to Dumbledore who is supposed to be much brighter than any of us). So, it seems highly unlikely Dumbledore's pleading for any kind of general help. So, he's pleading with Snape, very much on purpose, very much aware of the circumstances and Snape's apparent allegiance at that point (that is, Snape is a Death Eater and may or may not have killed people in the school). So if he pleads, and it seems he did, what does he plead for? Not his life, that's out of the question. So, the only thing any rational person can arrive at. He pleads for precisely what he gets. A Killing Curse right to the chest, because at this point, if Dumbledore actually is pleading (given that we know he's unlikely to plead for anything), he's almost certainly pleading for something he expects he'll actually get. The only thing he gets after that point is Avada Kedavra.
Debate that if you like, that's fine. If it was the sole point, I'd be there with you. But, it's not. Move on, we're now on the Hogwarts grounds. Harry is chasing Snape. Now, first, Snape doesn't hurt Harry. I'm not saying kill, I'm saying hurt. Not once, nothing to stop him and take off. He plays with him, duels, gives him a crash course in the importance of non-verbal spells and Occlumency, and saves him from another Death Eater (it's explained, yes, but it's still very odd, especially when it's sort of "only" the Cruciatus Curse, something fully non-lethal though certainly debilitating and possibly damaging over an extended period). The only time Snape truly goes to hurt Harry is after Harry calls him "coward". If Snape's evil, coward shouldn't have as much effect. He hasn't been particularly cowardly in that regard, he's been loyally serving the Dark Lord for the best part of sixteen years and getting into a position to destroy Dumbledore. From the stance of a full-on Death Eater Snape, he should basically ignore "coward" or laugh at it and monologue on why he's not. Instead, he flares up and actually goes to hurt Harry. This fits with a good Snape, and I'll explain why next.
The Snape who killed Dumbledore was in no way the Snape we see when victorious. That guy is silky smooth, cool and calm and totally on the ball. The Snape we saw kill Dumbledore and we saw later after Harry called him a coward (actually, on the grounds most of the time), was the Snape we see when he's angry about something. We saw him in the Pensieve, getting Levicorpus used against him and embarassed in front of Lily (and having to be helped by her). He was exploding, pissed. The same Snape was present to catch Harry viewing the memory. This kind of seething, boiling Snape is what we when the man is upset and a bit off kilter, not really who we've seen when catching Harry doing something that'll get detention or generally make him happy. That guy's cool; the Snape killing Dumbledore was the angry one, not the guy who just pulled of the greatest deception in the histo
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