Dear River,
POSTED BY: asarian
UPDATED: Thursday, December 21, 2006 20:00
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Originally posted by Causal:
(not that I feel good about Kaneman endorsing anything I say, mind you).
Perhaps you should take that as a sign to re-evaluate your position on the matter. Yes Asarian is very intense about River. We're all intense about some aspects of the show or we wouldn't still be discussing it 4 years after it was ignominiously cancelled by clueless telecrats.
David
"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de
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"the fact that Kaneman agrees with me, doesn't make this any less disturbing to me (although it does make me want to take a shower)."
HEE HEE....Your making me smile Casual...that's not like you. You are usually about as dry and boring as sun-baked three day old camel shit....
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Originally posted by Causal:
With all due respect, the fact that Kaneman agrees with me, doesn't make this any less disturbing to me (although it does make me want to take a shower). I'll grant you that the show has affected us all in various ways--but I reserve the right to be unsettled when we start addressing the actors as the characters as though 1) the actor is the character and, 2) the character is real.
I'll grant you 2 but I see no evidence of 1. It's prety clear to me that Asarian is talking about River not Summer.
David
"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de
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Originally posted by Kaneman:
HEE HEE....Your making me smile Casual...that's not like you. You are usually about as dry and boring as sun-baked three day old camel shit....
And that would be why.
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Originally posted by Causal:
(not that I feel good about Kaneman endorsing anything I say, mind you).
Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
With all due respect, the fact that Kaneman agrees with me, doesn't make this any less disturbing to me (although it does make me want to take a shower). I'll grant you that the show has affected us all in various ways--but I reserve the right to be unsettled when we start addressing the actors as the characters as though 1) the actor is the character and, 2) the character is real.
Have you not ever heard of something being written in a poetical or different manner to express something? It's clear to me that Asarian doesn't believe that Summer is River, nor does he believe that the character is real. I took it on face value as a piece of literature in it's own right.
What he is doing is expressing how much a literary character in a show has affected him in an artistic way.
It's much more interesting than a dry piece of essay.
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Originally posted by DaveShayne:
Perhaps you should take that as a sign to re-evaluate your position on the matter. Yes Asarian is very intense about River. We're all intense about some aspects of the show or we wouldn't still be discussing it 4 years after it was ignominiously cancelled by clueless telecrats.
Thanks for sayin' Dave.
Go to www.goodworkspresents.org to find out how to honor the Captain!
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Originally posted by FollowMal:
Have you not ever heard of something being written in a poetical or different manner to express something? It's clear to me that Asarian doesn't believe that Summer is River, nor does he believe that the character is real. I took it on face value as a piece of literature in it's own right.
What he is doing is expressing how much a literary character in a show has affected him in an artistic way.
It's much more interesting than a dry piece of essay.
I'll go this far with you: it was probably insensitive of me to comment in the first place, instead of moving along. That said, I will not check my opinions at the door. I still believe that this whole thread has a very creepy feel to it, and I'm just afraid that I can't apologize for that opinion. In the future, if I see something similar, I'll sidle on; but I fail to see how being a fan of something means that I have to accept as rational some of the more extreme elements of the fandom. I respect Asarian's right to feel however he pleases, and I respect Asarian's right to say what he will. But I share both those rights, and I'm afraid that I just won't accept that I don't have every bit as much right to say "wierd" as Asarian (or anybody else) has to say whatever is on their mind. Fandom is not dogmatism.
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Originally posted by FollowMal:Quote:
Originally posted by DaveShayne:
We're all intense about some aspects of the show or we wouldn't still be discussing it 4 years after it was ignominiously cancelled by clueless telecrats.
Thanks for sayin' Dave.
Well shucks. Just speaking the plain truth is all.
David
"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de
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Originally posted by Causal:
I will not check my opinions at the door.
Nobody is saying that you need to check your opinions at the airlock. I merely invited you to take another look at the issue. After which you still hold to your original opinion. Fair enough, I suppose, though I mostly disagree with you. Anyway you're not being attacked here just challenged to reflect on your opinion.
David
"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de
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Originally posted by Causal:
I'll go this far with you: it was probably insensitive of me to comment in the first place, instead of moving along. That said, I will not check my opinions at the door. I still believe that this whole thread has a very creepy feel to it, and I'm just afraid that I can't apologize for that opinion. In the future, if I see something similar, I'll sidle on; but I fail to see how being a fan of something means that I have to accept as rational some of the more extreme elements of the fandom. I respect Asarian's right to feel however he pleases, and I respect Asarian's right to say what he will. But I share both those rights, and I'm afraid that I just won't accept that I don't have every bit as much right to say "wierd" as Asarian (or anybody else) has to say whatever is on their mind. Fandom is not dogmatism.
I went back and read my post pretty carefully and I didn't see anything that I said that meant that I thought you should not express your opinion. If I made you feel that way I apologize. That was not my intention. I was merely pointing out my own feelings about the "letter". Perhaps I strayed in making my first sentence appear to be addressed to you and not making it more plainly generic? I will be more careful with my words from now on.
That's the nice thing about our fandom. There's room in it for lots of different feelings and opinions. I don't think anyone here would want you to not say what was on your mind, anymore than they would not want me to say what was on my mind.
Freedom of expression here is intrinsic to the board.
My opinion of what is expressed by this "letter" is just different from what you see expressed here.
I don't see "extreme" or "weird".
I see an artistic representation for his words.
Go to www.goodworkspresents.org to find out how to honor the Captain!
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