Starbuck is a HO-BAG

POSTED BY: STDOUBT
UPDATED: Saturday, December 16, 2006 21:19
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STDOUBT

Friday, December 15, 2006 5:46 PM

I'd put this in frakinggalactica but it's down.

I used to buy Starbuck as acharacter. I used to freaking LOVE her. The whole 'troubled childhood, rebellious misfit' thing, and to round it out -the fleets best pilot! No more. She's just not woking for me at all now. Here's a list of her crimes:
She got her fiancee killed, she screwed over Lee by marrying that dork the day after declaring her love for Lee. Then she turns around and dogs the dork. She displayed bloodlust in the secret execution group, only to realize later she was FOS. Then she's so mean to Kat, that Kat sends herself on basically a suicide mission. Kat was arguably as good a pilot as Starbuck too!

So, Kara is mean to people who don't deserve it, then she gets all contrite, and acts like an angel, then she starts being a mean b***ch all over again. I am DONE with Starbuck. She sucks big-time. In fact, I can't recall a fictional character who I've hated more. Watch -now she'll probably try and steal Lee away from Duella because that's just her MO now. Being a HO-BAG!
But she's really not simply a bad person -she's good and goddamned mental (and not in a sympathetic River Tam way) IMO, and shouldn't be allowed on the Galactica. She should pack up and ship out. If anyone else dies this season I really hope it's Starbuck.
Kara, YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MSG

Friday, December 15, 2006 5:51 PM

Hey I'm still recuperating from the whole Starbuck is a woman thing ( which by the way is one reason why I never really got into the show) but now you've given me a whole new reason to be glad I don't watch it:)

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STORYMARK

Friday, December 15, 2006 5:51 PM

Wow, some seriouse issues with Ms. Kara there.

I like Starbuck. Yeah, she has some pretty unpleasant character traits, and I probably wouldn't want to hang out with her in real life, but as a fiction character, I find her quite facinating to watch. I personally disliked Tigh's wife more than any character myself, and was not too upset when she died (though it did make me much more sympathetic to Tigh, who I couldn't stand durring the first 2 seasons).

But I find it interesting that you frame Starbuckas so terrible, yet seem to consider Lee to be a victim in their relationship. Didn't he try to steal her away from Sam first - even while he was involved with Dee? It doesn't make what Kara did okay, but he's no innocent in this twisted relationship either.

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SINGATE

Friday, December 15, 2006 6:30 PM

That was one of the best rants since River6213...well done!

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Friday, December 15, 2006 6:57 PM

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Originally posted by singate:
That was one of the best rants since River6213...well done!

TIGER

Friday, December 15, 2006 7:16 PM

Ron Moore said, I think in one of his podcasts, that he wanted to take Kara to the very edge of likability without making her unredeemable. Discovering how she screwed over Lee AND Anders for no god damned good reason really sent her over that line but good, in my opinion.

I hope the writers have the sense to give her a long and torturous road to redemption (like half-a-season long and almost-dying torturous), because that's the only way it'll be believable at all, no matter how troubled her childhood was.

STORYMARK

Friday, December 15, 2006 8:20 PM

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Originally posted by Tiger:
Discovering how she screwed over Lee AND Anders for no god damned good reason really sent her over that line but good, in my opinion.

Just because we didn't see a reason doesn't mean there isn't one.

And I'll ask again - how is Lee such a victim here? Yeah, it sucks he got his heart broken, but he went after her first, when he knew damned well she was involved with Sam, and Lee himself had been seeing Dee for months at that point.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

DEVONNITE

Friday, December 15, 2006 9:12 PM

I've tried to follow the New BSG, but I find it difficult because they took the only two characters of color, on the original show, Boomer and Tigh, and changed one into a women and the other into a drunken white male. There are no strong, highly placed characters of color on this new show and that was one of the drawns for me with the original show.

Apollo as a whining little whimp and Starbuck as a bitter women has me sorta keeping my distance. I try to watch every now and them but it isn't on my Tivo season pass list anymore.

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Clubber Lang: PAIN!

ARCADIA

Friday, December 15, 2006 10:01 PM

Huh. Well, all of the reasons you dislike Kara are the reasons I still love her.

she screwed over Lee by marrying that dork the day after declaring her love for Lee
Sam isn't a dork. He's a sport star! But, then, I've always quite liked him. I'd say Lee is just as guilty as Starbuck in these circumstances. They both decided to have sex, afterall. Kara's decision to leave him the next day was a decision made of weakness, but also very, very real. I think she really did think she was doing what was best. She wasn't, but that's Starbuck.

She displayed bloodlust in the secret execution group, only to realize later she was FOS
That was hard to watch, but in her defense she had spent the last four months being psychologically tortured. It tends to screw with one's head.

Then she's so mean to Kat, that Kat sends herself on basically a suicide mission
This is the only point I think you're enitrely wrong about. Yes, Kara was mean to Kat. But that's not at all why Kat decided to go on a "suicide mission" if you can call it that. Kat knew that she was dying. To start losing hair only hours after exposure to radiation? You are fucking dead. And Kat didn't get radiation poisening because Starbuck was mean to her, she was just unlucky. It could have happened to any of the pilots. So, Kat decided to embrace who she was, who she wanted to be. She decided to be a theif, because that was what it took to get her on her Raptor for the final mission. And she, she did something heroic knowing it was the last thing she would ever do. All of it had nothing to do with how Starbuck yelled on her.

Which, in my opinion, wasn't entirely unjustified. I mean, how would you feel if you found out one of your friends might be partly responsible for the genocide of the human race and everything that happened afterwards, including your toture?

Arcadia (aka Greyfable and/or Katie)
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JOSSISAGOD

Saturday, December 16, 2006 12:42 AM

It's what makes Katee Sackhoff such a great actress(can we still use that word, or is it more P.C. to just say "actor.") She's made a character you love to hate. Like James Callis as Gaius Baltar, I HATE Baltar with a passion, but love James for playing him so well!

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