Dont you think its hypocritical.....
POSTED BY: BionicBatman
UPDATED: Sunday, December 17, 2006 09:24
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No i do not celebrate either of those holidays. Good job you know me so well. I dont wear green on St. Patricks Day. And if someone pinches me for not, i get them back twice as hard. Halloween is just an excuse for kids to get candy from complete strangers, parents go out and party, and teens killing animals. Two holidays to where if you dont play along you pay the price.
Just curious here but what do you believe in?
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I celebrate Christmas not for any religious signifigance, but for the chance to be with the ones I love. And I simply do not care if anyone else approves or not.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Ah, Piratenews. Always good for a laugh. 
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For 100s of years it was illegal to celebrate Xmas, according to the Puritans who ran the British and American colonial governments.
Actually, it only seems to have been banned in Boston for a couple of years, according to the article you cited.
“In Colonial America, the Puritans of New England disapproved of Christmas; its celebration was outlawed in Boston from 1659 to 1681. At the same time, residents of Virginia and New York celebrated the holiday freely.”
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Christ Mass is celebration of the Jewish Sanhedrons' murder of Rabbi Jesus, according to the Catholic church.
No reference to that at all in the article you cited. The Catholic Mass involves a recreation of the “last supper”, the feast before Jesus’ death. Christmas itself celebates Jesus’ birth, with only occasional references to his eventual destiny according to Christian tradition.
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Yule logs (Feast of the Dead) were made from the fat of child sacrifice, just like Jack-o-lanterns on Halloween.
Absolutely no reference to child sacrifice in the article you cited. Yes, Yule logs were initially part of the winter feasts of the dead and so are pre-Christian in origin. That’s why they’re called Yule logs, not Christmas logs. Feasts of the Dead usually occurred in Winter, since the world itself was “dead” and the living asked the spirits if they were going to survive to see spring. Those were not gentle times. The logs were made of wood. Not fat. There was no fat involved until modern times when companies started making chocolate Yule logs.
Jack-o-lanterns were always made with pumpkins or turnips and were used to scare away bad spirits. Again, there’s no reference anywhere to using fat from kids.
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The US Supreme Court ordered that Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity (Lynch v. Donnelly, 465 U.S. 668, March 5, 1984).
Your article appears to be a legal ruling about whether or not a creche was allowed to display a crib with a Nativity scene, since on the one hand it was part of the Christmas story, but on the other hand as a scene from Christian tradition it could have been seen as a violation of the laws separating church and state.
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Christmas was historically a pagan orgy for Saturnalia, aka Satan (aka Santa).
No reference to orgies in the article you cited. Now there's a sentance I never thought I'd type. Some references to gift giving, drinking, feasting and “tomfoolery”. The name Santa doesn’t come from Satan or Saturn. It comes from Sinter Klaus, Saint Nicholas. Yes, there was a Pagan festival involving some traditions continued in modern Christmas celebrations. It’s one of several such festivals – Yule has already been mentioned several times in this thread.
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Xmas is Satan's birthday, according to Jewish Christians.
Xmas trees represents Satan's penis. Xmas wreaths represent Satan's vagina. Satan's an hermaphrodite, BTW. What does that say about pagans?
You know what? There’s a link on the home page of that site leading to an article saying homosexuals should be put to death. That pretty much tells me all I need to know about their "facts".
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85% of artificial xmas trees are manufactured in Communist China, which outlaws Christianity under penalty of death.
Yep, 85% of artificial trees are made in China. Although Christianity isn’t outlawed there any more. It is pretty strictly regulated though.
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9-million US citizens are suffocated every year by cutting down Christmas trees.
No reference to that in the website you cited. And… seriously, you couldn’t even come up with a halfway realistic number? 9 million a year?
I could go on, but I’m bored and these links are getting depressing.
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Damn Hippie, that was fun to read.
Of course, actually reading the crap he posts seems to be beyond PN's abilities.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by BionicBatman:
Thats because it IS hypocritical for them to be celebrating it. I asked one simple question. A yes or no question. Judging people and what they are are 2 two completely different things. Dont you agree that it is hyprocritical?
So... your not judging people because they ARE hypocrites... and you're just pointing that out.
Seriously, BionicBatman, you can't start a post calling every non-Christian who celebrates during the holiday season a hypocrite and then get annoyed when people call you out on it. And please stop saying that it's not what your doing, because your excuses are about as convincing as Piratenews' references.
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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
If someone who didn't believe in the Roman Catholic version of God took communion at Christmas midnight mass then, yes, I'd say that their actions were hypocritical.
I wanta weigh in on this.
In the Methodist church I attend, I wouldn't trake Connunion for years.
Then one Communion Sunday , a new pastor read a slightly different ritual. He said, " The Methodist church practices an open Communion table. You do not have to be a member of this church or any other to take Communion. You must merely seek to follow the teaching of Christ , and to seek Divine assistance with your sins." ON those terms, I could , and do, participate.
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General Response To All :
The way I see it...Christmas is ALL ABOUT CHILDREN....period!
Adults can debate forever the origins, value, etc etc etc about Christianity, Jesus, Jews, Romans, & blah blah blah......
Does EVERY DAMN THING in this world now have to be SECULAR HUMANIST in nature...with no faith left in the world???
Little kids...your children, my children...they dont know any of that crap and they dont care....THEY JUST LOVE SANTA CLAUS, CHRISTMAS TREES, CHRISMAS PRESENTS, AND ALL THE HOLIDAY CHILDREN'S SPECIALS!...SOme of you folks here sound like you'd want to just strip all that away just because you can't find any love in your heart...that's pretty sad!..I say..GROW UP!
Gwon nee ju jee du shu, dong ma?
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Quote:Okay. Based on this and HK's earlier response, my example is looking weaker and weaker. It probably says more about the culture of the church I grew up in than anything else. IIRC, foot washing and communion happened four times a year. Whether or not it was ever written out, it was understood that communion was for those who had been baptized. So, because I never chose to be baptized, I would participate in foot washing but not communion.
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
I wanta weigh in on this.
In the Methodist church I attend, I wouldn't trake Connunion for years.
Then one Communion Sunday , a new pastor read a slightly different ritual. He said, " The Methodist church practices an open Communion table. You do not have to be a member of this church or any other to take Communion. You must merely seek to follow the teaching of Christ , and to seek Divine assistance with your sins." ON those terms, I could , and do, participate.
Shorter response: I like your new pastor's take.
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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
Little kids...your children, my children...they dont know any of that crap and they dont care....THEY JUST LOVE SANTA CLAUS, CHRISTMAS TREES, CHRISMAS PRESENTS, AND ALL THE HOLIDAY CHILDREN'S SPECIALS!...SOme of you folks here sound like you'd want to just strip all that away just because you can't find any love in your heart...that's pretty sad!..I say..GROW UP!
ShinyEd, I'm not getting the same read on the conversation that you are. What I get from this thread is that there is a general consensus that celebrating the holiday is a GOOD thing.
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Hey Soup
I am sure that the vast...vast majority of Browncoats ...being nice friendly folks...enjoy Christmas with their families and friends.
I looked thru this thread again..and yes a lot of support for Christmas...but did ya see all those weird posts about Satan, etc etc ??? And a lot of Christian & Jew bashing as well....pretty disgusting stuff.
But no matter;..we're all here 'cause we love Firefly, and that's what's important.
Happy Holidays to you and all your folk.
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