End Christmas as a Holiday?
POSTED BY: NewOldBrownCoat
UPDATED: Tuesday, December 2, 2025 23:28
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Wow.... another thread about another topic about destroying life as I knew it growing up. Yeah! Let's just all have sex until we are one color and speak one language and one religion. We'll praise the year of our Ford like they did in Brave New World!
I don't subscribe to any religion, but I'm really getting quite tired of being made to feel bad about the way my parents and their parents before them did things.
This world doesn't even vaguely resemble the world I lived in when 20 some odd years ago when I was young enough to believe in Santa.
Let the Atheists and Pagans and Muslims have it. I don't want to be around here much longer anyways.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Wow.... another thread about another topic about destroying life as I knew it growing up.
Let the Atheists and Pagans and Muslims have it. I don't want to be around here much longer anyways.
Well, speaking for the pagans, we'll be happy to take it off your hands. We're going to want to see a deed, though. Squatters rights won't cut it.
Y'know, if you'd bothered to actually read the rest of the thread, you might have noticed that most of the posters are in favor of the holiday more or less as-is. Hell, right above your post I just spent most of my own defending Christmas in no uncertain terms.
I have to wonder why you are so scared at the very idea of discussing the matter. Is the thought of a world where you are not in the driver's seat so very frightening?
Now to a separate issue:
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Let's just all have sex until we are one color and speak one language and one religion.
As one-half of a black-and-white marriage, I want you to know, I found the above sentence highly insulting. While I wouldn't wish it on the world myself (I like variety), what's wrong with being one color?
Major league uncool phrasing dude.
"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn
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That's exactly what I'm talking about RocketJock. That's my opinion and screw you if you don't like it. It's not as if I'm burning crosses on your front lawn. I'm genuinely glad you have a happy relationship and I could give two shits about it being a mixed marriage. Good for you. I'm glad your happy. I envy it actually as I don't think I'll ever find anyone. I'm also glad for you that you live in a world where your future children won't be persecuted for it. Kiss my ass if you don't like what I have to say though. If you're really happy then you won't let what others have to say bother you anyhow.
You pointed out the very idea of why I'm afraid of discussing the matter. Because I am a white hetrosexual male, I have very little right to my opinions. Anything I cay can be "highly offensive" and get me sued or fired, while I have to hear comedians and movies and tv shows every day make fun of me, and ridicule me and make me feel bad because of the color of my skin. I already do enough self loathing buddy, I really don't need your help or that of the media.
I'm sorry your (or your spouces) parents and grandparents and before them had it shittier than you got it today. I came from a family of broke ass Polocks myself and we sure as hell didn't own any slaves. I'm sure that time was tough, but I sure as shit didn't do anything to ya'all and I'm tired of being made to feel bad about it every damn time I turn on the TV. I got picked on a lot in junior high and highschool until I worked out and started kicking ass for pleasure, so I can tell you a few stories about being offended and terrorized myself.
You know... all the "white" people used to not be called "white". We were Irish and Polish and German and English and whatever and we pretty much all hated each other. It's not necessarily a bad thing, the melting pot of America, even becoming one color. I happen to be of Italian, German, Dutch, Polish, Irish, Norwegian, Sweedish and English decent myself. The thing that scares me is one singular train of thought. That's what make humans so great is our differences in perspective. Variety being the spice of life. When I was first on Napster when I was about 19 I thought it was pretty sad and scary at the same time that everybody from other countries was downloading the same pop music I was listening to. We are losing our cultures and we will all be one color with no religion watching American Idol every week in a few generations. I have nothing against black people or mexicans or asians or anyone.... I just think that it's sad that we preach diversity, while at the same time we are headed straight for conformity.
And for the record... we can dance. We just got called fags by the other white kids that couldn't growing up so most of us didn't learn how to. Dancing ability is all about environment and has nothing to do with color. "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Howdy, Ya'll. It's been a while since I've posted. Gorram glad to be back in the saddle.
Now...Down to business.
The CIA World Factbook states that America is: Protestant 52%, Roman Catholic 24%, Mormon 2%, Jewish 1%, Muslim 1%, other 10%, none 10% (2002 est.)
The reason we celebrate X-mas here is that there are more Christians--plain and simple. It's not like we are spitting on mosques, trampling Menorahs, and burning the Crone in effigy to celebrate what most agree (rightly or wrongly) is the birthday of Christ.
Where do you draw the line? How far do we have to bend over backwards to make everyone happy? At what point do you say--too bad? Hey, you know what? I'm a minority too. There's only one of me. How come no one is rewriting laws and lining up to make sure I'm happy? Surely, someone sees the wisdom in all this?
Sorry my first post in too-long was a rant, but... 
Viva Firefly!
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6ixStringJack:
I was in a bit of a rush to get to work this morning when I wrote my post, so perhaps I didn't think my words out wisely. You're entitled to your opinion, no dispute.
But the way you phrased that opinion -- "Let's just all have sex until we are one color--" implies that there's something wrong in people of different colors having sex. That it's an offense to, I don't know, the purity of our precious bodily fluids or something.
It wasn't all that long ago that my marriage, and my children, were both considered illegitimate in a number of states. And sixteen of those states still have miscegenation laws on the books, held at bay only by a Supreme Court decision.
Maybe you didn't realize that. "20 odd years ago", when you were still young enough to believe in Santa, I was already married, and raising my first child--and dealing with prejudice, from blacks and whites alike.
I'm not generally over-sensitive, and I thought "Political Correctness" was a bad joke from the start. But I've got a few sore spots and hot buttons, and that sentence of yours pushed mine. Mea Culpa. I always say, the best way to describe a knee-jerk reaction is to delete the work "knee". You caught me out being a schmuck. Mea maxima culpa.
But I'm a schmuck with a bit more experience in this area than you, my twenty-something friend.
You know, like you, I remember the days when being white and Christian was automatically considered the "default/normal" setting for Americans. The difference is, I think the shift in attitude is an improvement, in that America was never as monochrome and monolithic as "Leave it to Beaver" led us to believe.
Oh, by the way, I have nothing against your ancestors, nor do I think they oppressed mine. For the record, my ancestry encompasses half of Europe, from vikings to puritans, from conquistadors to peat-bog Irish. White trash Heinz 57 through and through, with ancestors on both sides of the Civil War. Nobody ever gave us a free ride either. Especially the Irish.
"All right, we'll give some land to the niggers and the chinks, but we DON'T WANT THE IRISH." -- Olson Johnson
P.S. An apology to everybody for the unintended threadjacking. Hopefully we can get back to discussing Christmas again soon.
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RocketJock. I appreciate your post my man. Sometimes I should think my words out better myself before saying or especially typing them because that's what really can get you into trouble. I'm not a racist, although I suppose my tendancy to say what I think might make somebody question that from time to time.
Where I grew up, that's all there was around me.... white Christians. Then everything did change. I'm not saying it's bad. It's just different. I'd really like for the verbal attacks to stop though because us white guys that are just bystandards to the ebbs and flows of demographics got feelings too.
Not only did TV do a disservice to us whitebread kids, but our own schools did as well. They left us completely unprepaired for change. They pitted us against each other for years... just look at any movie about high school in the 80's and you'll know what I mean. Blacks amaze me in how they are so united in this idea of rising up. They might hate each other for any other reason under the sun, but they've got that. White people have this general distrust of their own kind and have no common ground to stand on.
Today this disservice extends to every American of any color.... While we've been getting the 3rd rate educations with our beloved No Child Left Behind Act, they've been teaching the Indians and Chinese tech skills and 3 or 4 different languages. That's where all of our tech jobs have been going. They didn't have any money over there to educate the kids... how did they get it done? They certainly didn't have the billions of dollars a year we so obviously misspend.
I appreciate your words on political correctness too, although I don't think it's a joke at all. I think, though valid in certain situations, it's basically no more than a means for suppression of free speech. It's very easy to take something out of context and call somebody a racist, and once you've successfully gotten the collective to think somebody is racist then you've successfully ensured that their entire point will be lost, no matter how valid it was. Destroy somebody's credibility and they might as well just shut up because they're done.
Look at what they did to Bill Cosby. I think last year he was saying some of the smartest things that anyone had been saying to our youth, and look what they did.... they framed him for supposed date rape and you've barely heard a peep from him since. R Kelly pees on an underage girl and he's still a role model.
Anyways..... We've hijacked this thread for too long and I could write books about what I think. I'm just glad we're cool.
About Christmas... I don't even know what religion if any I buy into man. I guess that I've just had so much change happen around me that it might be nice just to have a thing or two that reminded me of my childhood. Maybe I should just distance myself from Christmas completely. I'm thinking that I'm taking an attack on Christmas as a personal attack on me and considering where I stand, I don't think I should be taking it to heart.
So, mea culpa too. Merry Christmas. "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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I, personally, am an atheist. I want nothing to do with Christianity anymore. But I dont mind Christmas. Its more of a corporate holiday nowadays anyway, so why try to ban it? Well, okay, the holiday music makes me want to ram my head into a brick wall, but other than that, Chrismas is great.
You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.
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I would take the days off. I see it as important to give thanks for the birth of Jesus. I secondly see as important that we do not give the state/employers a precedent to steal other holidays.
This time off was hard fought by generations of people who wanted the time off to celebrate a joyous event. Cancelling Christmas is just plain unacceptable.
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If I had my 'druthers, I'd create a holiday that stretches from the solar end of the year (Dec 22) to the calendar beginning of the New Year (Jan 1). Something different to do every day:
Dec 22- Contemplate all you did wrong in the year.
Write them down. Then burn the paper in a midnight ceremony.
Dec 23- Put up lights and candles to celebrate the coming season.
Dec 24-25 Gift your family and friends. Wipe away grudges, renew your commitment to those you love.
Dec 26-27 Clean out your house. Give away what you don't need. Keep the receipts for tax purposes.
Dec 28-29 Share your goodwill with people who are NOT in your family. Help out at a soup kitchen (keep the receipts for tax purposes), go to a ceremeony where you extend the hand of friendship to others, sing and dance together.
Dec 30 Be alone. Contemplate.
Dec 31 Take stock of your assets. Make resolutions for the New Year. Stay up until midnight to greet it.
Jan 1 Sleep in!
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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BTW- I'd create secular holidays for spring and summer too. (We already have Thanksgiving in fall).
So if you were to create holidays, what would YOU like????
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