Mandatory Vaccinations (Part 2)
POSTED BY: canttakesky
UPDATED: Tuesday, March 7, 2023 21:57
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The day I voluntarily take a flu shot is the day that they find a vaccination for the stupidity epidemic that is sweeping not only our nation, but the entire world.
Anyone who tries to stick a needle in me will end up with it in their eye.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Quote:And I think it is far from clear.
Originally posted by rue:
I think it's clear that mandatory smallpox vaccinations have eliminated the scourge of smallpox from around the globe.
Quote:That's just it. We are NOT free of the dreaded diseases. The clinical disease indistinguishable in symptomatology from smallpox still infects and kills people in outbreaks. Acute flaccid paralysis still infects people in outbreaks. And as I said before, it is highly disingenous for vaccinations to take sole credit for the huge reduction in these diseases without considering confounding factors such as better nutrition, sanitation, and hygiene; the natural waning of diseases; and "control" diseases such as scarlet fever and the bubonic plague which also disappeared and/or no longer scourges humans as before.
This is a good thing - to free humankind of dreaded diseases that kill and cripple.
When people say "smallpox is eradicated," they mostly mean they believe THIS
is not infecting and killing people anymore. In fact and practice, THIS is still occurring in outbreaks.
I think what IS clear is that the belief that the disease no longer exists is largely a myth. The victory over smallpox was declared on a technicality.
Quote:Hehe. Good luck with that. I've found insisting anything of government to be quite a futile effort.
We need to INSIST on a government that represents US rather than the agenda of its owners.
And Rue, thanks for the pdfs. I'll read them later.
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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Zombie Mark love Big Brother.... Needs protection. Please put disease in my body... duh.... dribble... I go to watch TV now and feel happy on yummy fun good pills.... gurgle...weeeeeeeeeee "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Whatever Frem, what I replied to and why was very clear, the fact you continue to lie about what I said and the reasons behind it speaks volumes.
Continue to lie as much as you like, the only person you're fooling is yourself.
Frem's not lying you unrelenting asshat. The facts presented were referenced, you focused on a particular thing Frem said without reading the data behind it and tried to crucify Frem for it. You were called on in and your continued persistence to ignore what's right in front of your face is staggering.
Bottom line, Cit, if you want to let Big Pharm force feed you vaccines that don't work or aren't needed, that's your choice. Even if they do work, beyond a reasonable doubt (and that is a feat that has yet to be achieved), it's still not up to the state, the government, the schools, Big Pharm, or least of all you, what is put into my, and my children's bodies, end of story.
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I'll be in my bunk.
XO of the 76th Battalion http://76thbattalion.homestead.com/index.html
http://www.myspace.com/babywiththepower
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Quote:You go, Baby!
Originally posted by babywiththepower:
...it's still not up to the state, the government, the schools, Big Pharm, or least of all you, what is put into my, and my children's bodies, end of story.
And thanks to 6ixstring and Frem for speaking up for choice too. I appreciate every voice for choice.
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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We're prochoice on everything.
--The Libertarian Party
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No need for thanks CTTS. I am for pro choice on EVERY issue. Well... lets say that I am against a centralized government in league with large businesses (in this specific case, pharmacutical companies) making these decisions for us. Following this path I believe that it will not be too long until it will be against the law for somebody to refuse vaccinations for any reson, religious or otherwise. Could you imagine a scenario where you're being charged with a felony for say something along the lines of "Conspiracy to Spread an Otherwise Preventable Disease", simply for refusing them to inject your kids with disease, poison, and who knows what else comes along with these shots?
I've had all of these shots when I was a kid and I'm mad as hell about it. I never made that choice for myself, and my parents belonged to a generation who questioned their government up until the point they had children of their own and then, for the most part, they all sold out.
A good example of my belief in personal choice is my answer to whether or not I am in support of abortion. In the most extreme of cases, say a girl being impregnated while being raped, then I can find sympathy in that otherwise horrific act of abortion if the girl chooses to go that route. As a human being, of course I am going to have feelings on this one way or another, and I realize that others will have differing opinions whether they be religious, moral or selfish or otherwise. Personally, I could never sit back and watch my future child be aborted. What really angers me on this topic is that if I was to get a girl pregnant that it is ultimately her choice alone and she can get an abortion without my consent because it's her body, and you bet your ass I would do anything within my power to prevent her from doing that. I think that perhaps a joint decision needs to be reached before a life decision like that is made. However, I would never dream of giving our centralized government the right to decide that for us, even if that meant losing my child in the process. This is my fault for sleeping with a girl who didn't share my vision. It is just not BigGov's place to decide this.
When one uses the arguement that BigGov has no right making a particular choice for them, they cannot claim that they are pro-choice on one issue because it is convenient and it fits their vision of right and wrong, only to abandon the freedom of choice on another topic when in no longer suits their agendas.
Please tell me that you are not one of those Anti-Smoking Nazis.... if you are, then you are no different than Citizen is, and we would just be pitted against each other when that thread comes along.
It's all or nothing. We really need to give power back to our communities and take it out of the hands of centralized governments.....
But the wheel in the sky keeps on turning and we all have reality TV to watch. That reminds me... I have to download the last episode of Battlestar when I get home. "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Quote:I HATE cigarette smoke. I have left restaurants in the middle of my meal before because someone lit up in the smoking section! It makes me gag, and then I can't eat.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Please tell me that you are not one of those Anti-Smoking Nazis...
But like you with abortion (and me too), I would not legislate a ban on smoking. Laws (and force) need to be used sparingly, for crimes for which there is no other recourse: rape, murder, theft, fraud, etc.
I am prochoice on everything.
But you bring up a very important point. I am scratching my head over these staunchly prochoice folks on abortion like Rue and Citizen and Signy being antichoice on vaccinations. "Your body, your choice" applies to only one issue, it seems.
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth -- more than ruin -- more even than death.... Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible, thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man.
--Bertrand Russell
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CTS,
You would be a flat-earth Holocaust denier if it supported your ideology.
There is no pox virus that comes close to smallpox in its fatality rate or infectivity. There is no single cause or combination of causes of acute flaccid paralysis that even come close to polio. By claiming otherwise, you put yourself in the category of anti-vaccination crackpots. In fact, you claim all sorts of patently absurd notions just because they support your manias. Good luck in the real world.
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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
CTS,
You would be a flat-earth Holocaust denier if it supported your ideology.
There is no pox virus that comes close to smallpox in its fatality rate or infectivity. There is no single cause or combination of causes of acute flaccid paralysis that even come close to polio. By claiming otherwise, you put yourself in the category of anti-vaccination crackpots. In fact, you claim all sorts of patently absurd notions just because they support your manias. Good luck in the real world.
Don't even bring Polio into it again. Has it already been forgotten that in the first incarnation of this thread that the major decline in polio outbreaks was due, in large part, to the redefinition of what was polio then to what polio was right after mass vaccination rather than the vaccination itself? You preach about facts but you seem to forget those that contradict your ideology, so your entire post was pretty much the pot calling the kettle black.
Also, as stated above, this boils down to a matter of choice. And sorry, Rue, but you, and people like you, have no right to make my choices for me. End of story. If you want the vaccines, by all means take them, but don't try and force that decision on others. If there is some sort of pandemic, you will, afterall, be vaccinated. And if the vaccines are as good as you claim and preach them to be, than you should be safe, right?
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I'll be in my bunk.
XO of the 76th Battalion http://76thbattalion.homestead.com/index.html
http://www.myspace.com/babywiththepower
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Baby,
You apparently wll believe any CLAIM made if it suits your agenda as well.
I posted many many links showing that even in places of squalor, where existing polio is confirmed by PCR, polio vaccines DO indeed eliminate all but a handful of AFP cases - which are confimed by PCR as well.
This is not some strange statistical trick from the US in the 1950's. It's a documented fact over decades of genetic AFP polio surveillance around the globe. How did you miss that? Oh that's right - you don't read things you disagree with.
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