If you could have changed anything about Angel (the show not the character) what would it be?
POSTED BY: MrBlueSun
UPDATED: Sunday, December 24, 2006 18:56
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Originally posted by Groosalugg:
Amy... Acker... nude... scene.
And here I thought Groosalugg was supposed to be a champion of chivalry.
I agree with the effect Cordy's death seemed to have on the crew. As much as I loved Fred, they should have focused more on Cordy.
The rift between Joss and Charisma is new to me. What exactly happened?
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
The rift between Joss and Charisma is new to me. What exactly happened?
Well, you know what the internet is like: all kinds of rumors, hearsay, gossip, etc. Pretty much impossible to know what's true and what's not.
But with that disclaimer out of the way... the way I heard it was that when Charisma got pregnant betweens seasons 3 and 4, she never told anyone from the show about it during the hiatus. So the writers all got together before the season to plan the basic storyline out, as they usually do, and came up with this idea of having Cordy be the Big Bad... all the way thru--big fight with Angel at the end, the works. Then as filming is getting ready to start, CC shows up and delivers the news that she'll be having a baby right about the time they'll be shooting episode 20 or 21. Now they have to change the storyline, have Connor hook up with her in order to write her pregnancy into the show, find a way to replace her as the season's Big Bad somewhere around ep 17 or 18... you get the idea. She obviously didn't return as a regular cast member in the next season, and most accounts seem to agree that she was basically fired because the producers--and Joss particularly--were so mad at her.
Anyway, that's the version I heard--now stay tuned as others will undoubtedly have a different angle on it
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I'll keep it brief
Season 1 -I'd keep Doyle alive until the end of the season AND ERASE all episode featuring Buffy
Season 2-I'd cut the 'alternate reality' episodes at the end of the season and replace them with something more consistent with what was going on in the first two thirds (you know the Darla storyline that just up and vanished) still this was by far the best season
oh Kate should have stayed on the show somehow
Season 3- I'd cut the whole Darla pregnacy/Connor storyline and zero in on the conflict between Angel and Holtz.... maybe we could have Holtz start off gung ho in his hunt for Angel but after he's realized that Angel is good he comes to some sort of crossroads, with his loyaties split between the shows multiple factions (I'm getting an idea for a fanfic here) story ...I'd also cut Cordy's whole higher being/Demon thing...its way out of character
Season 4- The radical changes I made to Season 3's ending make a similar seaoson 4 difficult, which is good because while the first 5 or 6 episode of this season where good...the 'Armagedon' thing really sucked...(I stop watching for a year cuz of it and didn't catch the rest until reruns) I'd need huge fanfic to correct it...basically I'd keep the ending mostly the same It would end with Angel and CO joining WR&H
Season 5- One of my huge problems with S5 was the fact the it really didn't 'feel'
like Angel joined WR&H because all of the people we associated with the place WERE DEAD, but since my altered S4 didn't have the Beast or Jazimine , these guys stated alive and now Angel is Gavin/Lila's boss (come on we all would have loved to see that)
also Spike would be a recurring character and not a lead...as not to upstage the real vamp with a soul...
when Cordy dies she'll actually transfer the visions to Angel and in later episode we will really see Angel getting them
Llyria will only show up in "Hole in the world" and no other episode its pointless to try to develop a whole new lead with 5 episode left in the friggin show
Buffy would show up in "the girl in question" and find out about Angel's relationship with Cory...that was a moment I was waiting so long for and it NEVER HAPPENED!!!
Last but not least the Senior Partners would all make appreances in this season...better yet Angel would join(then double cross) them instead of Black Thorn
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Originally posted by themantheycalledJames:
Llyria will only show up in "Hole in the world" and no other episode its pointless to try to develop a whole new lead with 5 episode left in the friggin show
You do realize, right, that the idea for Illyria occurred to Joss very early in S5, and that she was intended to be a main part of the cast into S6 and beyond? They weren't cancelled until they were in the middle of filming the second episode she was in ("Underneath"). And she actually appears in seven eps (16 thru 22, plus her first appearance at the very end of 15 makes 8).
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uh sooo....that still doesn't change that the character was stupid and her story at best over dramatic, it just felt like Llryria's existence dragged out Fred's 'death'
all the drama with Llyria and Wes was tottally played out after the original episode
remember when at the end of "Whole in the world"
when Llyria finds her home abandoned and says "my world is gone"...then Wes replies "Now you know how I feel"
that was a GREAT moment and THE LAST TIME we needed to see that character
the same could be said for Anya in the Buffy S7
basically her storyline was over after 'Selfless'...come on the whole group turns against her, the final blow in her relationship with Xander is struck , she loses her powers and Halfek gets killed and then a few weeks later she's back in the scooby gang?
even more annoying is that they killed her in the finale when that episode would haven been a much better 'out' for the character
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considering they had such a short time with illyria I think they did great things with her. coming to terms with first being very powerful but with no purpose, then losing most of that power and being one of the puny demons she looked down on, timebomb was an amazing episode, and then building the humanizing relationship with wesley. she was one of my favourite characters ever and it's hard to believe she was in so few episodes...
if I could change something it would be not losing cordy, she was cool 
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the same could be said for Xander's ex fiance in Season 7 of Buffy.
*gasp*, anya was amazing, especially in season 7
and she wasn't just xander's fiance, she was interwoven with the group, she couldn't just disappear...
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I edited that post just now I wanted to explain it further but I needed to use the bathroom
my point was after 'selfless' (I also need to go to TV.com to get the episode name because well its been at least a year since I've watched it)
it just felt like the character's arc was over
heck after I saw that episode for the first time it seemed like its purpose was to write the character off (it was in the final season, you know when story lines need to wrap)
and like Llyria seeing her after that was just akward
It sucks to see a beloved character go but for the sake of the story it would have been better for Anya to go here, than with her anti-climatic death in the final minutes of the show
Gosh I could get into an whole finale Rant right then...because on Buffy and Angel none of the deaths were really handled well
Serenity probably did this best...when Wash and Book died not only was it shocking but it made the following scenes more intese because that basically ment the whole cast was now killable, every time a memeber of the crew took a hit it looked like it could be the end.
when Anya/Wesley/Spike died...it just lead to 'insert tearjerking scene here' bits even though the fate of the world was still at stake at the same time
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aw, I guess I'm a sucker for a tear jerker then, I didn't like the serenity deaths, they were too rushed and casual, and didn't have the desired effect of making me think anyone could die (not sure why, I just didn't think that).
for me wesley's was a perfect death scene, it was dramatic and gut wrenching and beautiful with the 'lying' bit and made you feel every second of it... but then I am quite soppy, and wes was one of my favourite characters.
anya's death was a bit pants, I missed it the first time, didn't even know she had died until xander was asking andrew but I would have missed out on her presence in the last few episodes for anything.
after selfless it's a bit like the illyria thing, she'd lost her powers and had no other friends so what else can she do but stick with the group?
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