If you could have changed anything about Angel (the show not the character) what would it be?

POSTED BY: MrBlueSun
UPDATED: Sunday, December 24, 2006 18:56
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MRBLUESUN

Saturday, December 9, 2006 4:32 PM

Please do not take this as me implying that there is anything wrong with the series, hell i love it! But if there were a few plot lines that you wish hadn't been used, any characters that should have stayed out, then this is the place to vent those frustrations.
Here are mine:
1) The whole of the evil Cordy/Jasmine story arc in season four. They should have just kept it as Angel + his groupies vs the Beast. Cordy seducing Connor was just wrong. And speaking of Connor...
2) Connor in season four. Man he pissed me of so bad! Why couldn't he just have been angsty and difficult instead of gullible and wet all the time. Plus the whole him and Cordy/Jasmine thing... Nuff said.
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CHRISISALL

Saturday, December 9, 2006 8:51 PM

No angsty son at all. Don't go there at all, that's what I'd change.

Angel not a Daddy Chrisisall

THESOMNAMBULIST

Saturday, December 9, 2006 9:06 PM

I'd have liked them not to include:

WES
DARLA
SPIKE
and
Connor.

Spike being my particular bug-bear. He was overused in Buffy so imagine my dismay at seeing him pop up in Angel!!! At one point I was begining to wonder if he'd show up in Firefly

Angel was a great show, but it would have been better if they had have developed thier own characters and extended the myth more beyond Buffy.

Still a GREAT show regardless, I'm just a sourpuss.

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BLACKSHAMROCK5

Saturday, December 9, 2006 10:04 PM

I wish that they hadn't killed Doyle and even though I liked the ep The Girl in Question the scenes with "Buffy" almost ruin it for me.

remember that a kick in the ass is a step forward

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DEEPGIRL187

Saturday, December 9, 2006 10:30 PM

Season four is a big one for me (it was way too convoluted), but I wouldn't take out Connor altogether. I think he could be a valuble character, and I actually liked the idea of Angel having a son. It allowed him to mature as a character because Connor was the one person he couldn't completely push away. Oh, and I wouldn't have killed off Doyle so quickly (though I understand why they did it).

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ECGORDON

Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:00 AM

The only things I would have changed would have been more story arc in Season 5, less stand-alone episodes, and less Spike.

JWHEDONADDICT

Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:55 AM

Well I, for one, would've changed the cancellation!

GROUNDED

Sunday, December 10, 2006 1:36 PM

More attention paid to Gunn, Fred and Lorne. I've seen Joss talk about how Angel got so much better when it became an ensemble show, but it's alarming how often the other members of the ensemble were relegated to scene-filler.

I also didn't want Kate to leave, but I guess she had a pretty solid arc conclusion.

JWHEDONADDICT

Sunday, December 10, 2006 1:52 PM

Of all the polls I've seen about best/worst characters, I find it very weird how Kate never enters my mind at all, either way. At least beyond the original airings of S1 & S2. Possibly with a different actress I'd feel differently, but I guess as she was, the character just never had much impact on me over the series as a whole.

GROOSALUGG

Monday, December 11, 2006 6:20 PM

I would've liked to have seen more acknowlegdment of Cordy's death in the episodes after "You're Welcome." Compare the aftermath of Doyle's death, and the effect it had on Angel and Cordy in the eps that followed, to Cordy's, where it wasn't even mentioned again until the next-to-last episode. I would've liked to have seen the other characters (besides Angel) at least react somehow to her death. But with the reported rift between Joss and Charisma (supposedly she only made it back into the 100th ep because David Fury pushed for her), I guess it's not surprising that they tried to sweep her and her character under the rug as quickly as possible afterward. Disappointing, but not surprising.

Most of my other gripes are with S4. Evil Cordy was written poorly and played even worse (Charisma just can't do the Big Bad thing, apparently); all the potential Connor had to be a compelling character at the end of S3 was washed away as they turned him into EC's little lapdog; the Beast was a lame, boring villain who shouldn't even have lasted as long as he did; and Jasmine... ugh.

Although, looking back at it now, much later, I'm realizing that the Jasmine arc wasn't as bad as it first seemed. Just take it on its own for a moment, out of the framework of the rest of the season, it's actually pretty interesting and well done (altho "Shiny Happy People" is a dreadfully dull, slow-moving kickoff for it). The real problem is that it just doesn't fit in with the events of earlier in the season. It feels tacked-on, made-up at the last minute.

And lastly, I guess I would've liked Gunn to have been introduced earlier in S1. S1 is terrific, but the cast of just three main characters for most of it leaves it feeling small and confined at times.

Oh, wait, one more thing. Instead of the WB, I wish it could've aired on cable, instead. HBO or Showtime, one of those. Why? Four words: Amy... Acker... nude... scene.

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