Angel -- "The Jasmine Arc: Atheism for Dummies"

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HJERMSTED

Monday, April 28, 2003 5:39 PM

Here are some articles in which Joss Whedon expresses his opinions about the existence of God:

100 Questions with Joss Whedon (#74 to be specific)
http://www.slayage.com/news/030220-joss100qs.html

Is there a God?
http://www.theonionavclub.com/avclub3837/avfeature_3837.html

Who could you take in a fight?
http://www.theonionavclub.com/avclub3905/avfeature_3905.html

mattro

BRTICK

Monday, April 28, 2003 8:05 PM

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Here are some articles in which Joss Whedon expresses his opinions about the existence of God

Sweet muscular Jesus!
ha! that gets me every time!

Keep Flying!

MATWANG

Monday, April 28, 2003 10:32 PM

As I was reading this interesting thread, I realized that, when it was posted that Joss was "an angry athiest"- something about that line kept twinging in my mind's side as not sounding right... is there really such a thing as an "angry athiest"?

The pivotal word here is the concept of innate "athiestic anger" - who would they be mad at?

When you don't believe in god, the emotional attitude toward the subject (of whether there is a god) is more along the lines of ..."uh, whatever...."

If there are angry athiests, then surely their anger must be directed at the persistent and relentless prattle of those tireless, prodding believers, (you know who you are... wink wink, nudge nudge) and is not a component of their athiestic belief per se.

As to Joss "challenging God" when things go bad, that's probably just a cursing habit he picked up from his Dad (or Mom).

It's much more satisfying to vent your anger at the "big guy in charge"...somebody such as GOD - hence, personifying him/her, than yelling at the outcome of a series of random events.

"You damned tree! Why'd ya let the wind knock all of your damned leaves off your branches so they could be pulled to earth by the force of gravity thus necessitating me to have spend my Saturday raking the damned yard!!!"

It's just not as satisfying. It doesn't evoke the sense of reckless defiance one gets when one takes the name of a so-called God in vain. The act of cursing is like daring those alleged powers-that-be to strike you down. It's a far more bully thing to do than to say under your breath, "O drats."

Athiestic anger would surely have to be be towards man, not towards the chaos inherent in life, which actually is kinda pretty.

In my view, there's gotta be something running all these fractals, but that's another thread.

TALRIUS

Monday, April 28, 2003 11:39 PM

Oh, GOSH, not again....

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DOBSON: I'm supposed to be meeting my wife's sister. I've only got a few days to see her...

ZOE: I wish there was another way...

DOBSON: Oh, no, no. That woman is like a dragon. I mean, I believe she has a tail. If there's any other moons we need to visit, or if we could just
fly very slowly...

RITA

Sunday, September 7, 2003 2:41 AM

i am an agnosticwell more or less an atheist who is in private a little smug about my beliefs but i am also one whose never been fond of atheists (you know the pretentious gits) who are insulting or cruel to those who posess and profess faith. I am not crazy about fundamentalist of any breed. here's two of my favorite quotes
'Morality evolved to sanctify procreation' Gore Vidal

'the problem with the world today is that fools and fanatics are so sure of themselves while wiser men so full of doubt' bertrand

so what i am saying is sure go out and stop the fear mongers and other haters but leave people what they rely to make life less harsh.

RITA

Sunday, September 7, 2003 2:41 AM

i am an agnosticwell more or less an atheist who is in private a little smug about my beliefs but i am also one whose never been fond of atheists (you know the pretentious gits) who are insulting or cruel to those who posess and profess faith. I am not crazy about fundamentalist of any breed. here's two of my favorite quotes
'Morality evolved to sanctify procreation' Gore Vidal

'the problem with the world today is that fools and fanatics are so sure of themselves while wiser men so full of doubt' bertrand

so what i am saying is sure go out and stop the fear mongers and other haters but leave people what they rely to make life less harsh.

HRHTHEDUDE

Friday, January 2, 2004 4:04 AM

As an atheist, I feel somewhat insulted by the statements that we do not have faith. An atheist is not someone who doesn't believe in god, an atheist BELIEVES there is no supreme deity. Just as a christian can never prove to me that his god exists, I cannot prove he doesn't. I have faith that there is no deity. Proving something does not exist is not really possible unless you can be everywhere and everywhen in every dimension. To be a true atheist, you have to have faith. For these reasons I respect everyone's right to believe what they choose, I'd just prefer it if American society extended that respect to me as well.

Well, that was a slap and a tickle!

LADYJAYNE

Monday, January 5, 2004 2:21 AM

If you want some great commentary on the Jasmine story arc, be sure to get the copy of the Angel compainion to Seven Seasons of Buffy. Not sure exactly when it's coming out, but it will likely be sometime this summer. There will be an essay by SF author Steven Harper (DREAMER; NIGHTMARE; TRICKSTER) on the Jasmine story and the biblical parallels in it.

Steven Harper is my husband so that's how I know the essay will be ther. :-)

--Kala

KINGOFKOINS

Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:34 PM

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Originally posted by BRTick:
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"I'm a very hard-line angry atheist" Whedon Says "Yet I'm fascinated by the concept of devotion..."
http://www.fireflyfans.net/news.asp?newsid=267

Well, I stand corrected. it's interesting that a "hardline" atheist would be so fasinated by faith , devotion ,god,personal morals, etc, and what it means.

Keep Flying!

That isn't uncommon. I'm an atheist, but I'm fascinated by religion. Also, faith doesn't just have to be restricted to god or other supposed "higher powers".

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It's sickening how comforting the privacy of the mind can be.
"Bible's broken; contradictions, false logistics. Doesn't make sense." - River
http://stripe.filetap.com

STEVE580

Saturday, February 14, 2004 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by HRHTheDude:
As an atheist, I feel somewhat insulted by the statements that we do not have faith. An atheist is not someone who doesn't believe in god, an atheist BELIEVES there is no supreme deity. Just as a christian can never prove to me that his god exists, I cannot prove he doesn't. I have faith that there is no deity. Proving something does not exist is not really possible unless you can be everywhere and everywhen in every dimension. To be a true atheist, you have to have faith. For these reasons I respect everyone's right to believe what they choose, I'd just prefer it if American society extended that respect to me as well.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever read.
-Steve

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