End Christmas as a Holiday?
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UPDATED: Tuesday, December 2, 2025 23:28
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I think the universal holidays should probably be abolished. When nothing is open, society stops, and that could, and has been, disasterous, in the right circumstances. It's much more sensible that only those people of a particular belief take a day off. If all the jews take passover off, and then the christians take easter off, then there is still someone at the company to run things on either occassion. So, business goes on. But if everyone goes home on the same day, everything stops.
Everyone will have a Xmas-style holiday, whether it's Chanukah or Solstice or Epiphany or Great Satan Demon Thingie Day
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Must be nice to be a Jehovah's Witness... don't have to worry about this kind of stuff... or hell, I guess.
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This is what is wrong with community colleges. Without Xmas beautiful tradition of singing Baby Jesus songs in Irish pubs would stop, beer taps would dry up. Then turkey farms, candel factories, and Jewish toy stores would close. What about all the trailor trash girls at the titty bar, their 4 kids each would go hungry. Dolly Parton new cds would be scrapped. Walmart would have to lay off the retards that greet ya at the doe. I really hate this new generation. Also this is when Rome cleans up with Xmas cards.
I like Santa
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You can't get rid of X-mas! 
That's when stores do 50% of their business. What would the economy be without that massive shopping glut? How would businesses survive without the tradition of reckless, ruinous consumer spending? The idea's so business-hostile it's un-American, and frankly almost seditious.
Q How is working like X-mas?
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A You do all the work and some fat guy in a suit gets all the credit.
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The commercial impact that Rue pointed out is exactly why Christmas will not be cancelled anytime soon. It's about the money, and without that money, very bad things would happen to retailers and would then ripple out to the rest of the economy.
That being said, all of this talk about the historical symbolism that's associated with December 25th outside of Christianity is nonsense. The holiday being observed is the birth of Christ, whether it happened on that day or not. If there was an actual attempt to nationally or internationally designate *that day* as a generic, non-christian observance would result in a massive backlash, in my estimation. We don't observe Yule (though the term has been bastardized into the Christmas holiday) and we don't celebrate Sol Invectus, despite the reality of the origins of the holiday.
December 25th is a Christian religious observance, and even though I do consider myself a Christian, I don't think that it's right that Christmas is singled out over other holidays in the season, whether it is Channukah, Ramadan, or Kwanza (although the idea of Kwanza infuriates me). It is an indicator of segregation and/or preferential treatement even if it is out of habit. Granted, all of the other religious seasonal holidays are multiple days and, from a corporate perspective would be less attractive to give as mass holidays. I don't feel in my heart that the religious observation of one should be recognized in lieu of the others. If it were that straightforward, then I would prefer to not have Christmas as a national/federal/international holiday.
As I said earlier, though, that's not going to happen. The only rational alternative that I could offer would be a separate holiday that's independent of everyone else's, and specifically signified to be for everyone.
Amiton.
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Quote:Except most of the traditional Christmas rituals are actually traditional pagan rituals and nothing to do with Christianity, so are we really celebrating yule and others as much as Christ?
Originally posted by Amiton:
That being said, all of this talk about the historical symbolism that's associated with December 25th outside of Christianity is nonsense. The holiday being observed is the birth of Christ, whether it happened on that day or not. If there was an actual attempt to nationally or internationally designate *that day* as a generic, non-christian observance would result in a massive backlash, in my estimation. We don't observe Yule (though the term has been bastardized into the Christmas holiday) and we don't celebrate Sol Invectus, despite the reality of the origins of the holiday.
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:Except most of the traditional Christmas rituals are actually traditional pagan rituals and nothing to do with Christianity, so are we really celebrating yule and others as much as Christ?
Originally posted by Amiton:
That being said, all of this talk about the historical symbolism that's associated with December 25th outside of Christianity is nonsense. The holiday being observed is the birth of Christ, whether it happened on that day or not. If there was an actual attempt to nationally or internationally designate *that day* as a generic, non-christian observance would result in a massive backlash, in my estimation. We don't observe Yule (though the term has been bastardized into the Christmas holiday) and we don't celebrate Sol Invectus, despite the reality of the origins of the holiday.
I'm not arguing at all that most of the concept for Christmas was an appeasement gesture by the (recently proclaimed official Roman) Catholic Church and Emperor Constantine. I get it.
If you could find ten percent of the population that was aware of that history, then I would be highly impressed. I think I'd still be impressed if you could find that ten percent in western culture five hundred years ago.
The observance of the holiday in modern culture is an observance of a Christian Holiday. I don't see a way around that. It was the intention of the celebrants and the government. There are people that write the holiday as xmas, not as shorthand, but out of disdain for the use of the title Christ. Wait, that's right...we *refer* to the holiday as Christmas.
The observance is of a Christian event. Even if you ask most of the non-believers, the day is in observance of the birth of Christ in spite of their beliefs. I would argue that those who observe the holiday as something else are doing so in an effort to not partake in a religious, or at least Christian, tradition, not because it's been that way from the beginning.
Amiton.
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Originally posted by Amiton:
If you could find ten percent of the population that was aware of that history, then I would be highly impressed. I think I'd still be impressed if you could find that ten percent in western culture five hundred years ago.
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The observance of the holiday in modern culture is an observance of a Christian Holiday. I don't see a way around that. It was the intention of the celebrants and the government. There are people that write the holiday as xmas, not as shorthand, but out of disdain for the use of the title Christ. Wait, that's right...we *refer* to the holiday as Christmas.
The observance is of a Christian event. Even if you ask most of the non-believers, the day is in observance of the birth of Christ in spite of their beliefs. I would argue that those who observe the holiday as something else are doing so in an effort to not partake in a religious, or at least Christian, tradition, not because it's been that way from the beginning.
Amiton.
Most of the Christiness was taken out of Christmas long ago with the--dare I say it?--advent of the Saint Nicolas legend, which itself has morphed into a grotesque parody of itself. I'm sitting in the car this morning and again this evening listening to a radio station that has played nothing but Christmas music since before Thanksgiving, and heard one actual Christmas Carol. Hark, the Herald Angels Sing sung by Nat "King" Cole.
You can't on the one hand bemoan it's commercialization and turn around say it's still "Christian".
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Quote:So it’s not really that you have any reason to believe that Christmas is necessarily and solely a Christian holiday as you insist it is; it’s just that you think people are too stupid to know any different? I'm not really sure most people are that dumb, but even if they were, it doesn't change anything. Just because Christians celebrate the birth of Christ on December 25, doesn't make Santa Claus, elves, evergreens and mistletoe Christian theology.
Originally posted by Amiton:
If you could find ten percent of the population that was aware of that history, then I would be highly impressed. I think I'd still be impressed if you could find that ten percent in western culture five hundred years ago.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by Amiton:
The commercial impact
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HAPPY KWANZA
I like Santa
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