New thread on Serenity's engines

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GROUNDED

Saturday, February 14, 2004 1:30 PM

The point is that a system with many one-gee (or approximately one-gee) planets is possible (however improbable). Talking about gravitational manipulation is purely speculative. I think the one conclusion to be drawn from this thread is that there's really no way to fully reconcile all the 'sciencey' factors in the show! I suppose that tells you something fundamental about the show itself

HOTPOINT

Saturday, February 14, 2004 1:57 PM

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Originally posted by Grounded:
Talking about gravitational manipulation is purely speculative

Except for the fact they clearly have artificial gravity on ships and some kind of inertial reducing apparatus (or equivalent) because the Crazy Ivan didn't tear the ship and crew apart

The speculation is how it works not is it there

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DRAKON

Saturday, February 14, 2004 3:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Grounded:
The point is that a system with many one-gee (or approximately one-gee) planets is possible (however improbable). Talking about gravitational manipulation is purely speculative. I think the one conclusion to be drawn from this thread is that there's really no way to fully reconcile all the 'sciencey' factors in the show! I suppose that tells you something fundamental about the show itself

That it is more about characters and plots and people than equipment, neato special effects and technobabble?

"Wash, where is my damn spaceship?"

GROUNDED

Saturday, February 14, 2004 5:59 PM

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Originally posted by Drakon:

That it is more about characters and plots and people than equipment, neato special effects and technobabble?

Exactly

GROUNDED

Saturday, February 14, 2004 6:10 PM

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Originally posted by Hotpoint:

Except for the fact they clearly have artificial gravity on ships and some kind of inertial reducing apparatus (or equivalent) because the Crazy Ivan didn't tear the ship and crew apart

The speculation is how it works not is it there

The fact that it's there at all is a problem in itself. I find it hard to believe that there's an explanation that reconciles the fact that gravity tech is standard on 'rough' ships like Serenity and Mal still has to relieve himself in a rusted, fold-out-of-the-wall toilet. It's something like the equivalent of having a laptop in a period drama

HOTPOINT

Saturday, February 14, 2004 6:16 PM

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Originally posted by Grounded:
I find it hard to believe that there's an explanation that reconciles the fact that gravity tech is standard on 'rough' ships like Serenity and Mal still has to relieve himself in a rusted, fold-out-of-the-wall toilet. It's something like the equivalent of having a laptop in a period drama

Government backed monopolies supressing some areas of technological progress?

Or how about alternatively the society is emerging from a somewhat Luddite stage of hostility to a scientific culture because of the destruction of Earth-That-Was?

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JASONZZZ

Saturday, February 14, 2004 8:32 PM

but why would they need any sort of grav engine on the sound stage at all?

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Originally posted by Hotpoint:
Quote:
Originally posted by Grounded:
Talking about gravitational manipulation is purely speculative

Except for the fact they clearly have artificial gravity on ships and some kind of inertial reducing apparatus (or equivalent) because the Crazy Ivan didn't tear the ship and crew apart

The speculation is how it works not is it there

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HOTPOINT

Saturday, February 14, 2004 8:44 PM

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

but why would they need any sort of grav engine on the sound stage at all?

Do you know how heavy those cameras are?

Anyhow I for one find it easier to enjoy the first rate characterisations if I don't have to suspend my disbelief at the 'Verse they inhabit

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LTNOWIS

Saturday, February 14, 2004 11:27 PM

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The fact that it's there at all is a problem in itself. I find it hard to believe that there's an explanation that reconciles the fact that gravity tech is standard on 'rough' ships like Serenity and Mal still has to relieve himself in a rusted, fold-out-of-the-wall toilet. It's something like the equivalent of having a laptop in a period drama

Artificial gravity, inertia dampeners, etc. are all cheap, basic technologies in this future. We've solved problems like these, but we haven't solved other problems, like a terrestial transport more reliable and cheap than a horse. Think of it this way: 30 years ago, nobody would have thought that reliable pocket calculators would be so cheap. A crappy pocket calculator has just as many functions as an ok one, but the buttons aren't as nice, it doesn't fold up, it's ugly, etc.

GROUNDED

Sunday, February 15, 2004 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by LtNOWIS:
Artificial gravity, inertia dampeners, etc. are all cheap, basic technologies in this future. We've solved problems like these, but we haven't solved other problems, like a terrestial transport more reliable and cheap than a horse.

But that doesn't make sense. If high-tech like artificial gravity is cheap then equivalent or lesser tech must have made similar advances. If they've mastered gravity in 500 years then surely to goodness they can build a spaceship that doesn't rust...

Not that I care mind - I'll happily forget all this stuff because the show is so good. But this thread was about trying to explain the science of the show and that just can't be done. I don't think I've ever seen a sci-fi show that is totally scientifically plausible but that's purely because there are outside factors to consider. Sure it might be more realistic to have no artificial gravity but it would be unrealistic as far as filming is concerned for the actors to be hanging around on wires all the time.

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