'Tolerance' on American Universities???
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UPDATED: Thursday, November 30, 2006 23:02
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GEEZER:
I'd just as soon they dropped 'under God' and 'in God we trust' and all the rest. I got no belief in deities of any kind and would like them out of politics alltogether.
i agree..since the 'God' that theyre talking about is Lucifer, whom i pay no homage to nor hold an allegience with anyways. however it would be perfect if people would take the time to study the symbolism to recognize the differences between the God of christianity and the god of Luciferianism... since the masonic symbolism and language adopted by the american establishment is clearly idolatrous and occultic, not christian
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I guess Nye said this:
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I've had professors say ... the god of Islam is the same god of Christianity.
I heard a Methodist minister make the same argument in a sermon-- the two faiths diverge with Abraham's 2 sons Ishmael and the other one whose name I forget. Same theme elaborated in discussion and bible study by a very learned, thoughtful, and respected lay leader, speaker, and Bible student ( one guy, not 3.)
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"Colleges are tolerant of everything but one thing.
Intolerance."
How long have you been living in Narnia?
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Why is everyone so down on intolerance anyway? What gives?
In my book:
Intolerance = Conviction
Tolerance = Negligence
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Originally posted by kaneman:
Why is everyone so down on intolerance anyway? What gives?
In my book:
Intolerance = Conviction
Tolerance = Negligence
Hehe... that explains a lot. You should get more books.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Quote:In the real world, though, professors diverge and opine during lecture. I don't know a single professor who doesn't (and I've been around academia). It doesn't mean they are not experts and they aren't teaching. It just means sometimes personal opinions, both on topic and off topic, get mixed in with good, solid education. Call it contamination if you will. It happens. They're human.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Professors should not be treated like everyone else, especially when they are lecturing.
It is up to the student to use a skill called critical thinking to sort that out. They are still getting the meat they paid for; they just have to do a little work and skim the fat off the broth.
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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Most powerful is he who has himself in his own power.
--Seneca (5 BC - 65 AD)
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Quote:Actually, there's a whole bunch of scholarship that goes along with this, having to do with John, the beloved deciple and first century same sex marriage rituals. One may discredit the scholarship, but it's there. And none of it is necessarily part of anyone's belligerent attack. The whole issue of Human sexual identity before the 19th century is fascinating in its lability.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Any professor who claims that “Jesus was a homosexual”...should be viewed with contempt, not only because such a statement are almost certainly a belligerent attacks, but also because in the absence of evidence, which doesn’t exist to my knowledge, they are patently untrue and not appropriate for people society has entrusted with passing on our knowledge.
Your assumption of contemptible beligerence is made simply out of ignorance, which is not a problem in the university setting until it becomes beligerent itself. But beligerent ignorance is exactly what Miss Nye brings to the table.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Quote:Well, that may be. And I agree with you that unfortunately many students must learn to distinguish between what they are supposed to be learning from the irrelevant opinions of some professors. But it’s not something I would consider a desirable characteristic of university instructors. We send students to college to learn critical thinking, but require them to have critical thinking to learn. It’s a bit of a catch 22. Fortunately, there are more good professors then bad and lectures are often more likely to have more content then bologna, I believe, and so students who apply themselves will usually have a net gain in critical thinking and knowledge at the end of their four years. At least, that’s the hope, but the truth is that our society depends on the perception that professors are trustworthy.
Originally posted by canttakesky:
In the real world, though, professors diverge and opine during lecture. I don't know a single professor who doesn't (and I've been around academia). It doesn't mean they are not experts and they aren't teaching. It just means sometimes personal opinions, both on topic and off topic, get mixed in with good, solid education. Call it contamination if you will. It happens. They're human.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Any professor who claims that “Jesus was a homosexual”...should be viewed with contempt, not only because such a statement are almost certainly a belligerent attacks, but also because in the absence of evidence, which doesn’t exist to my knowledge, they are patently untrue and not appropriate for people society has entrusted with passing on our knowledge.
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Actually, there's a whole bunch of scholarship that goes along with this, having to do with John, the beloved deciple and first century same sex marriage rituals. One may discredit the scholarship, but it's there. And none of it is necessarily part of anyone's belligerent attack. The whole issue of Human sexual identity before the 19th century is fascinating in its lability.
There's scholarship on lots of things. There's scholarship disputing that Jesus actually existed. I think real historical experts would say such views are groundless.
If someone holds an opinion that goes against what is widely accepted, that usually says something about that person. Especially if it is an inflammatory opinion. In this case the girl was trying to convince us that her professors harboured anti-christian feelings, and on this evidence I am inclined to agree. I would similarly consider someone who denied the occurence of the Holocaust to be an anti-semite.
As for the comparison to Islam, I can see why a Christian would dislike it. Christians view themselves as being more civilised with regards to their treatment of women as well as being less violent. Whether or not they have grounds to make such claims is a matter for separate debate, though I myself would say that they do.
But, at the end of all this, is the statement "The God of Christianity is the same as the God of Islam" an offensive statement? Not really. The professor's motives for saying it seem to me more conciliatory than inflammatory. I was raised a conservative Christian (though I'm not any more) and in the past I would resist such a view, though I wouldn't mind somebody having it. You guys may not be wrong in thinking this girl is oversensitive.
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Quote:Of course there's scholarship disputing that Jesus even existed. There's very little scholarship that supports that He did. Outside the bible, there is no conclusive evidence that a single "Jesus" of the Bible existed, the main trouble being that nearly all of the history we have from that time period has been copied and maintained by Christian monks who were in no way above interpolating bits about their Lord and Savior into the manuscripts. Even the Biblical record has nothing but three years of preaching and a couple hagiographic anecdotes from Jesus's childhood.
Originally posted by kpo:
There's scholarship on lots of things. There's scholarship disputing that Jesus actually existed. I think real historical experts would say such views are groundless.
Quote:Like, maybe that that person is an individualist? Most professors that have any expertise in their field have heterodox opinions. You seem to have a pretty Soviet notion of what should be taught in college, kpo.
If someone holds an opinion that goes against what is widely accepted, that usually says something about that person.
You do know that the founding fathers of this country were non-Christian Deists, yes? They weren't athiests, but they did not worship Jesus. Did you know Jefferson wrote his own gospel, in which he excised all references to Christ's divinity?
And lumping early church scholarship which does not support one's religious beliefs with Holocaust deniers is pretty inflammatory itself, kpo. The Holocaust is a documented historical event of which there are living witnesses. The life of Jesus is not. Holocaust deniers deny one of the greatest crimes of the last century. Those who deny the historicity of Jesus may simply be looking at the evidence.
Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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