Gravity Control!

POSTED BY: Calhoun
UPDATED: Sunday, February 15, 2004 12:14
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FLYINFREE

Friday, February 13, 2004 7:13 AM

I read over the site and from my understanding it boils down to tapping into and draining the energy contained in all matter and space to power various devices and effects. Assuming for a moment that all this is true and correct, what happens when you drain away that energy? According to the website the ZPF energy supplies/controls gravity, inertia, subatomic and atomic bonding/reactions, etc. If you drain away the energy field running and stabilizing these forces won't you completely destabilize the area of space being drained? If so you would be creating highly dangerous and unstable areas of space where gravity, movement, physics, etc. are completely disrupted. I would hate to be the poor sucker standing there when that happens! Also according to the site there is enough energy in a cup of space to boil away all of Earth's oceans, can the release of this energy get out of control? Could you accidently trigger an explosion big enough to wipe out a planet?

Just some thoughts from a layman, not trying to do the typical schtick of turning every new technology into sci-fi's next doomsday scenario (ie. AI=Terminator). Just thought using an energy source you don't understand might have a few pitfalls.

"...we're still flyin'."
"That's not much."
"It's enough." Malcolm Reynolds and Simon Tam - Serenity

CALHOUN

Friday, February 13, 2004 8:37 AM

I am excited by the potential of this research. The scientists seem to be of high calibre and come across as very believable to me. This is my limited understanding of the research:

By utilizing frequency-coupled plasma fields and monatomic superconductors (natural superconductors), controlled interactions between atomic/subatomic particles and the Zero Point Field of energy (formerly known as "the ether") can be achieved. These controlled interactions can exert an interactive force on the ZPF and the reaction used for propellantless flight or the generation of clean energy.

The potential benefits far out-weigh the risks as far as i'm concerned. If this new science pans out the planet could be saved.

Bill Gates should put some big bucks into this research and fast track it!

MOMAW

Friday, February 13, 2004 9:11 AM

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Originally posted by Steve580:
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Gravity control must be attainable otherwise how do the UFO's zip about the sky like they do?

Same way unicorns do, I'll reckon.
-Steve

Pegasi fly, unicorns do not. Honestly, haven't you been keeping up on modern science at all?!

MANIACNUMBERONE

Friday, February 13, 2004 9:31 AM

You said Pegasi.
He he he

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HOTPOINT

Friday, February 13, 2004 9:37 AM

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Originally posted by FlyinFree:
If you drain away the energy field running and stabilizing these forces won't you completely destabilize the area of space being drained?

...can the release of this energy get out of control? Could you accidently trigger an explosion big enough to wipe out a planet?

I think it was Arthur C Clarke who joked about some distant Supernovae being the Industrial Accidents of highly advanced technological species

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FLYINFREE

Friday, February 13, 2004 11:41 AM

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The potential benefits far out-weigh the risks as far as i'm concerned. If this new science pans out the planet could be saved.

Destabilizing space-time or blowing up the Earth are pretty big risks for fast ships and cheap power. Yes there are benefits and I'm not saying it shouldn't be researched, I'm a big supporter of knowledge even for it's own sake. I'm just saying when you tap into such a vastly powerful and almost totally unknown area a lot of care should be taken and questions asked before leaping headlong into the void.

"...we're still flyin'."
"That's not much."
"It's enough." Malcolm Reynolds and Simon Tam - Serenity

CALHOUN

Friday, February 13, 2004 12:21 PM

Agreed.

GROUNDED

Friday, February 13, 2004 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by Calhoun:

This multiverse we live in is so so so so VAST that the statistical probability of an alien race mastering gravity and hence being able to zip around anywhere they want(eg.Earth) must be about 99.99999999999%.

But if the universe is so vast then the statistical probability of them finding us is...

This is Fermi Paradox territory

DRAKON

Friday, February 13, 2004 12:53 PM

From looking at it, it looks like some of the Zero Point Energy folks are up and running. Is it a scam? That is a good question and unfortunately from the design of the site, it's very iffy. My first gut check tells me is just another bunch trying to siphon money away from gullible UFO nuts.

I could be, and really hope I am, wrong. It does have the buzzwords right, (BEC, ZPF, superdeformed high spin states as partial examples) But referencing a famer's discovery of monoatomics is not something that builds confidence.

I note that several of his monoatomic compounds contain more than one atom, or element. Non-standard usage of terminology is usually associated with either crank or fraud sites. Usually.

To date nobody has a clue just what spin is. It operates mathematically like a spinning object, but we run into weird things like objects that have to spin around twice to get back where they started, instead of just once.

ZPE is not at present known to exist, nor is a method on how to extract usable energy from it known. Its a theoretical construct to date. IT makes reference to aether in several places, and I am not sure if this as an analogy, or if they are claiming this is an aether.

I would recommend not investing in them, or giving them money at this stage. Keep an eye on them, as they may show something interesting. There is a high probability that this is a hoax, or a crackpot site. I would love to be proved wrong, but I have been through this before.

Another poster had started off about how probable UFOs are. (Or to be precise to the point of boredom, the extra-terrestrial hypothesis for the source of UFOs) While astronomic and biological factors seem condusive to life springing up practically anywhere there is liquid water, going from basic life to a technically advanced civilization is not nearly such a sure thing. We can look at the several near misses in human history (Cuban Missile Crisis as one example) and show that it is not always a sure bet that a species that developes civilization will survive the technology it creates.

But more importantly, we are basing the analysis on a single sample. We are the only ones we know exist. We have no clue as to whether there are other civilizations out there, or whether or not they have any kind of space travel. So assigning any kind of probability to this question is sheer guesswork.

"Wash, where is my damn spaceship?"

STEVE580

Friday, February 13, 2004 8:57 PM

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Originally posted by Momaw:
Pegasi fly, unicorns do not. Honestly, haven't you been keeping up on modern science at all?!

Well, the question was "How do UFO's fly"; so the answer I was getting at is, "The same was unicorns do: not at all, because neither exist."

While pegasises probably would have made a better comparison, I just couldn't figure out how to write them in plural.

-Steve

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