dam fecking torrents
POSTED BY: IrishBrowncoat
UPDATED: Friday, August 16, 2024 21:07
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That could bring up the whole Napster thing again.
unlike napster torrents dont have a one home.take one site down 250 others waiting to take their place.
kinda like that greek monster cut one head off 2more grow in its place
Lets Be Bad Guys...........
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Originally posted by IrishBrowncoat:Quote:
That could bring up the whole Napster thing again.
unlike napster torrents dont have a one home.take one site down 250 others waiting to take their place.
kinda like that greek monster cut one head off 2more grow in its place
Lets Be Bad Guys...........
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And yeah, you have a good point.
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There's no way to stop file sharing. If there was the industry would have done.
Besides my story's similar to ayrad's. I'm from Germany where Firefly's never been aired. First I saw Serenity. Thought it's pretty cool and after watching Joss Whedon's comment I was really impressed. After a while I rent the DVD once again because I couldn't get it out of my head.
This time I totally got hooked: I must watch the TV show! So I downloaded the complete season via torrent. Took me a short time to watch all episodes and right after I bought the DVD set and the movie.
I'm pretty sure that most people act the same after they know the background around the show.
Some don't of course. But I'm convinced that it is the minority.
In my opinion (and in this case!) torrents have a positive effect.
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I download about 3 gigs of material a day from torrents. Why do you care? Who made you the pirate slayer? Oh, and your idea would never work. People will check content before "finishing" the torrent. And don't be surprised when they publish your 'computer ip' on the net so pirates can enact revenge. Never mess with hackers....unless of coarse you enjoy abuse.
Ever tape a show, make a copy of a cd or cassette, or borrow someones movie? You to are a pirate........
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I am obviously similar in mentality to some of the above posters. Namely, I know that the torrents have a positive effect and I'm not convinced that the negative effect is even close to that in which the industry says it is. But, in the interest of snuffing out fud.
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Originally posted by kaneman:
I download about 3 gigs of material a day from torrents. Why do you care?
IB never said anything about torrents in general. (S)he just stated interest in stop the torrents that are FF/S. His/Her caring is obvious when put in context.
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Originally posted by kaneman:
Oh, and your idea would never work. People will check content before "finishing" the torrent.
Actually, no-one does this. The only time that this would "work" is if people saw that the torrent contained an .exe and choose not to run it. Then again, most would if the creator of the torrent said that it was a self extracting archive. And actually, most would probably run it anyway, just like most run/ran .exe's in emails.
But, there are more attack vectors than that. Such as a problems with the implementation of the libs that read jpg's/png's/etc and various movie formats. So, how exactly are most/all people going to be able to analyse the files before playing? They won't b/c they aren't aware of any problems b/c the vast majority of people don't know what security is never mind keeping track of vulnerabilities. Never mind that such tools rarely exist for anywhere near current exploits.
Basically, to say that people downloading have the technical savy to be able to check things, to say that people downloading will take the time to check things, ignores the inherent characteristics of people in general and the technological limitations in this reality.
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Originally posted by kaneman:
And don't be surprised when they publish your 'computer ip' on the net so pirates can enact revenge. Never mess with hackers....unless of coarse you enjoy abuse.
First off, I doubt that all but a few people would be capable of doing this. And even if they were, the original uploader would have to still be in the swarm. Not to mention the whole problem of dynamic IP adresses. So, that published IP, would most likely be useless in short order. There's also hitting the wrong target if someone else has gotten the target IP.
Secondly, you're assuming that people are capable of enacting revenge (which is far from reality even IF the IP was still valid AND the original uploader was still connected). There is also the "problem" that a lot of people have routers to share the inet to the household. So, those malicious packets would most likely be blocked. This would also render TCP finger-printing (and most if not all reconnaissance) null.
So, abuse is rather unlikely to say the least. The most likely thing that would happen, would be that the torrent would be deleted from the site and the user banned.
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Originally posted by kaneman:
Ever tape a show, make a copy of a cd or cassette, or borrow someones movie? You to are a pirate........
This is just BS. Taping a show and making a personal copy of a CD or cassette is covered under fair use rights. It IS perfectly legal. Also, borrowing a movie from someone is also perfectly legal.
It is when you start distributing/profiting that the line is crossed (in most countries).
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Originally posted by IrishBrowncoat:
that is true but i still cant belive peeps would download whole season ... understand maybe only doing one episode to see if its ok.
It's not too difficult to believe IMO. If they can get it free, without much chance of legal penalty, why pay?
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Originally posted by Kaneman
Never mess with hackers
I'd doubt these guys, or the majority of people using torrents, are "hackers" it doesn't require any real expertise to do and it's relatively well known to most internet users.
That said I would advise against your "revenge" plan IB mainly because it's just an annoying thing to do. at best you'll piss someone off slightly and at worst you might be on the receiving end of hassle because of it.
your co-worker who used the torrents probably wouldn't have watched the show if he had to buy it anyway so I guess you just have to decide which is worse, watching the show illegally or never seeing it? it might be worth noting even just loaning your dvd's to someone is illegal and not all that different to torrenting them.
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Also, borrowing a movie from someone is also perfectly legal.
I'm not so sure it is, even if you're not profiting. It's so small scale companies would never pursue it but it is illegal iirc.
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Too many tools in here......
Where to start?
Firstly, if you were to put gay porn on a torrent, the first person who downloaded it would report that to the tracker and anyone smart enough to read the notes before downloading a large file would know that it was gay porn almost immediately after you did it, and those who didn't diserve what they get.
Secondly, what you're talking about doing is a failed scam that the RIAA, MPAA and record companies have already tried and failed to carry out to protect their content. Trust me man... they have a lot of high paid thinkers in those organizations and you're not the first person to think about this. If it could be done, you would have downloaded gay porn when you downloaded that pilot episode of Battlestar.
Thirdly, there are a LOT of people who cannot afford to buy TV shows on DVD and TV and nothing you can do will EVER convince them to pay for things they can get for FREE, save serious prison time or casturation. Then you're talking about real "butt-lovin" prison time or sueing somebody into poverty for morale crimes which ultimately hurt no-one, not to mention all of the illegal search and seizures which will be taking place in people's houses while they're not at home, thus raising our taxes to pay for more police manpower to get that job done. If you steal a loaf of bread, the loaf of bread is gone. If you "steal" a movie or a TV show, it's just a bunch of "1s" and "0s" on your harddrive and there's nobody in showbusiness that's starving (at least the successful ones behind anything that you could ever care to download in the first place). I really tired of Lars's fat old has-been rockin' ass complaining about people downloading his lame old Metallica songs quickly when Ben Fold's Five were giving their songs away on their website at the same time.
And lastly, with all due respet to all of you, may I say that you sound like a member of the RIAA or the MPAA yourself... as do all of the people in here that agree with you on this issue. Were you all rooting for the Alliance the whole time you were watching the show, or is it just that when you leave Neverland you become a capitalistic pig authoritarian rat-fink-do-gooder again?
The only reason you're paying $9.99 per CD this Christmas on average is because of the so called "criminals" who have left the behemoth record companies no choice but to lower their prices to be competetive with FREE. Anyone over 18 should remember days before Napster when CDs cost $17 - $25 /pc. Remember that the next time you're so quick to judge what somebody else does.
"Piracy" will never end as long as there is criminal capitalistic conglomerates controlling the content that happen to have the criminal Legal System and criminal Government backing them. The American Government, in particular, is the largest organised crime we've ever seen as a race, and all too soon I'm afraid, NATO will be even larger.
No matter what they do, they will never stop the signal. I know you feel you have a crusade here to save the movie, on this particular issue you are sorely misdirected. Besides, I think they've whored us out quite long enough. It's time for them to put out a new BDM or for Joss to come out himself and say something once and for all and stop stringing us along. We diserve that after what they've been doing to the 3rd party vendors who were recently turned on and crushed for doing the very thing they were encouraged to do before the first BDM came out. It doesn't seem as though any of the actors are wasting any time finding other projects.
I don't care how somebody got the show or the movie, if it touched their lives and spoke to them the way that it did to me, that's what really matters.
And may they pass that on to someone else who needs hope that maybe there is a way to coexist with the Alliance without being completely absorbed by them. And don't come back to me about the Alliance not being real. If you can't see the parallels in real life today than of course you have no idea what I'm talking
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Taping a show and making a personal copy of a CD or cassette is covered under fair use rights. It IS perfectly legal...
It is when you start distributing/profiting that the line is crossed (in most countries).
Wrong buddy.... Don't know what country you're from, but they changed the FBI warning here in the States.
For anybody interested in reading the new warning, just in case you've never felt the need to read them seeing as how you're all such upstanding, law-abiding citizen yourselves:
"The unauthorized reproduction or distribution of this copyrighted work is illegal. Criminal copyright infringement, including infringement without monetary gain, is investigated by the FBI and is punishable by up to five years in federal prison and a fine of $250,000."
So simply taping a song off the radio you don't own, a TV show off the telly you don't own or "borrowing" a copy of a CD to a friend is an illegal act punishable by up to five years in federal "butt-rape" prison or $250,000.
Don't know about you, but it would take me at least 25 years after basic living expenses to save that kind of cash, and I'm a pretty frugal guy. Not to mention anyone who's downloaded one thing on the net has undoubtedly downloaded 2, or 20, or 200, or 2000, or 20,000 things. I'm pretty sure there are people who have never collected a cent off of this downloading, but according to this copyright warning, Bill Gates would be hard up to cover thier fines.
Absolutely rediculous....
And look at fracking China. All of the computer programs their businesses use were downloaded off of torrents. Maybe if we went after them for copyright infringement first then we wouldn't owe them so much damn money and they wouldn't be able to afford all that gas and our prices at the pump would go back down.
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The only reason Firefly and Serenity exists is because advertisers paid for it, viewers watched it (or not, as the case turned out to be) and DVDs were bought.
Like it or not, Firefly is a product of capitalism AND creativy. The person who ran the show, Joss Whedon, was on an 8 figure deal with the studio at the time. The pilot episode cost $8.9m. The movie cost $40m, plus about $60m in advertising (globally). The reason the show isn't continuing is that not enough people saw it or picked up the dvds. It didn't turn a profit.
So, put simply, if you want to support bootlegging -- which, by the way, I actually mostly support in many cases -- you can't complain about there being no more episodes.
As to if there will be a sequel - uhm, not so much. The cast fall out of contract shortly, and Universal haven't picked up their options to renew 'em. It's a shame.
As for the matter at hand, IrishBrowncoat, one of the torrent sites alone at the minute has 29 million people downloading stuff. There's not much that can be done about it, really - it's up to the copyright holders to exercise their rights if they want to, and sue some 12 year old for $543059430m.
In all of this, there's a business world and a fantasy world. Joss and ourselves very much live in the fantasy world. The world of the show. The reality of the show is these are a bunch of 9 (or 7 now) loosers on a ship who are running from the world. That's also us. They don't tend to like the Alliance, and refuse to just give up on things. Also us.
Then there's the business world. The real world. In that world, the show is about appealing to mass numbers of people and making shit loads of money. If people stand in the way of that world - where people finance the fantasy world - the fantasy world ceases to exist as they are both interconnected and interdependent.
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