'Tolerance' on American Universities???
POSTED BY: cartoon
UPDATED: Thursday, November 30, 2006 23:02
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Quote:I always trim the quotes for brevity, assuming that if someone would like to see the complete post that I’m responding to they can simply scroll up, and if you do scroll up you’ll see quite clearly that, in fact, I did not say that Christians didn’t do those things, I said they don’t, and generally that is true. Christian terrorist organizations are not common; the majority of them are in Northern Ireland and those that do exist are generally very isolated, and largely more nationalist then Christian. Muslim terrorist organizations are common, and very Islamic, and several of them operate well a field of their base. So I didn’t cheat. I may have ranted, but I didn’t cheat.
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
You deliberately did not quote the sentence before in his post where he quoted someone ( you?) as saying that Christians did not kill those who disagreed with their beliefs. Those references are certainlty correct as arguments against that position. Christians DID DO those things. That Muslims are still doing them cuts no ice. Nobody said the Muslims weren't...
Quote:So am I. But according to Sigmyn, a course on Islam is only required if you are seeking a degree in religion, which doesn’t seem unreasonable to me.
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
I'm too lazy to do the work, which would mean reading the lady's articles, then identifying the school, and searching its website, but I'll bet my share of the profits from the Train Job that reading the Quran is not officially, specifically required in the catalog of the school as a requirement to graduate.
Quote:That’s true, and I clearly should have been more precise in my language, but I was ranting, and ranting is often imprecise. But are you prepared to say that the kind of thing you mentioned above is equal to Al Qaeda or Hezbollah or any large armed paramilitary terrorist organization?
Originally posted by RocketJock:
Someone earlier mentioned how Christians do not kill people who disagree with there beliefs. I believe that someone needs to read some more history books, or some more current events. There are some Christian groups who have bombed abortion clinics because they don't believe that women should have abortions! There are other christians who have killed Gays and Blacks because they did not believe the same way of Christians. No one is saying that some Muslims are not killing people for there own beliefs, but Muslims killing people now does not mean that Christians and other religions have are not killing people now and have not killed in the past. one does not erase the other!
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-- Cicero
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They have Ann Coulter as a columnist for this website. I rest my case.
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At the very top of the page with Miss Nye's interview, it says she graduated as a "Physician's Assistant". That wouldn't seem like a religion major to me.
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Christians don't kill folk ?
Go look at Iraq, and other numerous examples, but the primary one, that sets me into such a rage at them ?
Tempest Smith.
I am including some links here specifically for RJ's daughter to use in order to show other folk the true ugly face of intolerance and what it's end result usually is.
What happened
http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/amethystbt/wiccasadbuttrue.html
And current foundation for prevention.
http://tempestsmithfoundation.org/
Zealotry of any stripe leads to intolerance, which leads to violence, which leads to death - this is a simple, linear pattern oft repeated in history, and the entirety of the reason to crush zealotry of this sort in it's tracks.
Oh, and I can attest to Citizen's comment about being sent to a specific theologys' school when you are not OF that theology, it's not exactly pleasant nor does it lead to anything good.
"it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." -Thomas Jefferson
Long as someone isn't shovin it down your throat, why care what they BELIEVE, what really matters, in the end all that matters, is what they DO.
Religion never excuses Jackassery.
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Not yet maybe, but give them time.
Put ten "Christians" from different "Denominations" in a room together and see what happens. Maybe not throat-cutting but not "Love thy neihbour" either.
Well, we have throat cutting going on right now, and not just in Iraq, but all throught out the Muslim world. I find it curious that there are those who rail and rant , frothing at the mouth against Christianity, yet turn a blind eye toward what is happening with radical Islam. Christianity has gone through a reformation, while Islam is still stuck in the 1st millennium. Take your cracks at the bible thumpers, but I think most who do so are stomping on a camp fire while a forest fire rages on at their back.
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ive made this point before, but i think its relevant if we're gonna make assumptions about christianity... what are we talking about when we say christian? if we go by the bible then that doesnt include moderate believers who arent practicing, since Paul says in Romans
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"now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and brag abour your relationship to God; if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, and instructor of the foolish, a teacher of infants, becase you have in the law the the embodiment of knowledge and truth- you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? you who preach against stealing, do you steal? you who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? you who abhor idols, do you rob temples? you who brag about the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? as it is written: "Gods name is blasphemed among the gentiles because of you"
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"a man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. no, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. such a mans praise is not from men, but from God"
every christian should understand that the bible makes the distinction that a believer in Jesus is someone who does the WILL of God, which implies following his commands, the most important of which, according to Jesus himself is
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"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and soul and mind. this is the first greatest command. second is 'love your neighbor as yourself. there is no commandment greater than these"
i just think that should be kept in mind by those of you scrutinizing us from the outside.
we believe that man has a fallen nature that is susceptable to sin, and the bible also explains why man has given his heart into the world and the desires of the flesh, which are material and earthly. Jesus says not to covet or love the world(and its possessions) because this age belongs to Satan(also the reason for the all-seeing eye), and finishes my point when he says
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"if you were Abrahams children, then you would do the things Abraham did. as it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told the the truth that i heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. you are doing the things your own father does. if God were your Father, you would love me, for i came from God and now am here. i have not come on my own; but he sent me. why is my language not clear to you? because you are unable to hear what i say. you belong to your father the devil, and you want to carry out your fathers desire. he was a murderer from the beginning, not holding ot the truth, for there is no truth in him."
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Quote:Then what was she doing in the courses for Religious Majors? Perhaps poking her nose in where it didn't belong.
Originally posted by cartoon:
At the very top of the page with Miss Nye's interview, it says she graduated as a "Physician's Assistant". That wouldn't seem like a religion major to me.
How very Christian of her, I'm sure YOU approve.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Quote:Bravo, Sig. I think you've hit the nail on the head.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Most of Nye's negative reaction seems to be that she has never come across her religion as an object of study as opposed to an object of belief.
Quote:This quotation illustrates the point. She has one Truth in her mind, and everyone who disagrees with or questions her Truth is hostile or ignorant.
If they would take the time to read the Bible they would see that it is pretty obvious that Allah of Islam is not the same God of Christianity. The message of Christianity is that mankind is sinful and God is holy, and this holy God sent his Son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross for our sins so that we could be reconciled to God and have eternal life in Heaven. That profound message is nowhere to be found in the Koran. And if the god of Islam were the same god of Christianity, wouldn't they be telling the same story?
She cannot suspend her assumption that her interpretation of the Bible is Absolutely True in order to examine a different account of the same God. She cannot fathom the possibility that two different witnesses could tell different stories about the same guy. One witness is absolutely right, and therefore the other witness must not have seen the same guy. Moreover, this proves to her that those with different interpretations must not have read the Bible.
Just because this young lady's reasoning is fallacious and faulty on so many levels does not mean there is no hypocrisy on American campuses. People wishing to demonstrate academic intolerance of Christianity need to just make better arguments.
She also alleges:
Quote:I found this at the Butler U. website:
For example, all students at Butler were required to take a course on Islam.
Quote:Students with foreign study experience can be exempt from this requirement.
All Butler students must complete both semesters of Change and Tradition (ID 201 and ID 202) as a requirement for graduation. http://www.butler.edu/cnt/course_information.htm
What is C&T (ID 201 and ID 202)? The syllabus says:
Quote:Now I can see how C&T classes all require some study of Islam, as it is one of the major global cultures in the world. I can see how Christianity may be given less class time than Islam. The object of the class is to broaden student horizons and most American students are already very familiar with Christianity. It seems to me that if she takes offense at respectfully studying versions of truth other than her own, she should have attended a private Christian college where she would be shielded from such offenses.
As an introduction to the study of historical world cultures, Change and Tradition (C&T) has been a centerpiece of the Butler curriculum since 1983. Individual sections of C&T are taught by faculty from colleges and departments throughout the university. The one thing that binds us all together is a common interest in interdisciplinary study of global cultures.
http://www.butler.edu/cnt/Gen%20Syl%20ID202-06.doc
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Here's the test.
How would you feel about a university instructor who said, in class, that the Koran was "that book about crazy Mohammud talking with 'god' in his magic cave"? Or a department head said "You cannot use the Hindu Vedas in academic circles because they are regarded as books of myth"? How about a student suggesting a "Jewbaby killing party" during Passover?
Is it different to you, one way or another, when it's not Christianity being demeaned?
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