'Tolerance' on American Universities???

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
and if someone protests to having the Qur’an pushed on them (as a requirement to graduate)

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I'm too lazy to do the work, which would mean reading the lady's articles, then identifying the school, and searching its website, but I'll bet my share of the profits from the Train Job that reading the Quran is not officially, specifically required in the catalog of the school as a requirement to graduate.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

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Originally posted by RocketJock:
I suggest you look up the following phrases and organizations: "The Burning Times" "Spanish Inquisition" "Christian Identity Movement" "Westboro Baptist Church".

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So what? This is how you intend to define Christianity?

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YOU CHEATED!!!!


You deliberately did not quote the sentence before in his post where he quoted someone ( you?) as saying that Christians did not kill those who disagreed with their beliefs. Those references are certainlty correct as arguments against that position. Christians DID DO those things. That Muslims are still doing them cuts no ice. Nobody said the Muslims weren't...

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
I'm too lazy to do the work, which would mean reading the lady's articles, then identifying the school, and searching its website, but I'll bet my share of the profits from the Train Job that reading the Quran is not officially, specifically required in the catalog of the school as a requirement to graduate.

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You might find something like this in a course catalogue: Topics in Comparative Religion 201. In this course we will make an in depth survey of major modern non-Christian religions with special emphasis on Islam and Islamic traditions...

Then li'l Miss Acti-Christian takes the course as her personal Child's Crusade against the heathen and surprise, surprise it doesn't exactly go well for her. Hm.

Hey Cartoon, American Universities are very effed up places. Very hypocritical, very intolerant of a lot of things, but I don't think that gives your girl a blank check to promote her narrow-minded agenda.

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In the words of Miss Nye:
G. K. Chesterton once said "Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions."

I agree.

Today's "tolerance" makes the assumption that we all hold different beliefs but those different beliefs are all equal. That appalls me. If I'm going to take the time to believe in something, have a conviction, live it out, and stand up for what I believe in, what good is it if I don't even believe that my beliefs are true? And if my beliefs are true, why would I even consider a conflicting belief to be on the same level? I wouldn't! What good is a conviction if you don't believe it to your core and reject anything that is in opposition to it? Yet, this is what the new tolerance is about. A man without convictions would have an easier time saying that all beliefs are equal

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She sees tolerance as a kind of weakness; the stance of hypocrites. She feels it would be hypocritical for her not to push her ideas on everyone else. How is that anything but antisocial?

I know she's practically a teenager and we can't expect her to understand the importance of humility and compassion, but what about you? Do you find her arrogance attractive? Within acceptable limits? Do you think tolerance has any place in society?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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I looked up Butler U. It requires a course on the Koran to graduate with a major in Religion
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Requirements for the Religion Major

* RL 101 Religions of the World
* RL 202 The Bible
* RL 347 History of Christianity
* RL 354 Islam
* RL 381 Topics in Theory and Method
* Two Courses in Asian Religions
* Twelve additional hours in Religion are required for a total of 33 hours. Courses on religion and related topics in other disciplines may be counted toward the Religion major with the permission of the department head.

www.butler.edu/philrel/?pg=971#religion_major
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Given the coursework that Nye talks about (the Bible, philosopy, Islam etc) I assumed that she majored in religion. So just out of curiosity, I looked at the bona fides of the religious studies professors and their areas of study:


Chad Bauman: Princeton Theological Seminary,Ph.D, Princeton Theological Seminary
Hinduism, Buddhism, Indian Christianity

James F. McGrath: Diploma in Religious Studies, Cambridge University; B.D., University of London; Ph.D., University of Durham
Biblical Studies, Religion and Science

Paul R. Valliere: B.A., Williams College; M.A., Columbia University/Union Theological Seminary; Ph.D., Columbia University.
Russian Orthodoxy, History of Christianity, Modern Religious Thought

Rabbi Arnold Bienstock: B.A., Columbia University; M.A., Jewish Theological Seminary; Rabbinical degree

Mary Ann Fadae: Islamic Studies

Rabbi Sandy Eisenberg Sasso: B.A., Temple University; M.A., Temple University; Rabbinical degree, Reconstructionist Rabbinical College

These are the people that Nye claims have never" read the Bible?? Most of Nye's negative reaction seems to be that she has never come across her religion as an object of study as opposed to an object of belief.

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Originally posted by Finn Mac Cuhmal:
Christianity may be the 500-lb gorilla in the cage, but unlike its cousin the 500-lb orangutan, it doesn’t kill you if you disagree with it. Whatever majority Christians may hold in this country means little to a student on a university where Christianity is considered “quaint” and Islam is considered required study, if that student expects to graduate.

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Except of course the 500lb Gorilla does kill you if you disagree with it.

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No major Christian organization practices the kind of “religion” practiced by these Islamic groups today

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What like the Lords Resistance Army. Maybe Killing, Raping and selling into slavery over two thousand children a year for nearly the last twenty years is small time then?

This is typical of you Finn, you make a statement, it's shown to be wrong, you move the goal posts and proclaim "See I was right all along".

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Originally posted by cartoon:
Others who believe as you do (and disagree with those who believe as I do), would go a lot further in such discussions if they responded with the decency and civility which you have responded with. Thanks again.

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And you'd find that would happen a lot more often if you actually let them and you weren't such a snippy little shit all the time, oh well .

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Originally posted by HKCavalier
I know she's practically a teenager and we can't expect her to understand the importance of humility and compassion, but what about you? Do you find her arrogance attractive? Within acceptable limits? Do you think tolerance has any place in society?

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Cartoon is a religious fanatic

Religious schools rarely let non-religious students (or those of a different religion) in, and if they do they're often ostracised. I guess Miss Nye can count herself very very fortunate she wasn't a non-Christian in a Christian education establishment, if she were her experiences here would have seemed paradise.

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Hello All,
This is Rocketjock's Daughter Angel. I just happened to be reading over daddy dears shoulder while he was on this thread and couldn't help but write a response of my own.
First of all let me say I am a practicing Pagan/Witchy Women,() and before any one starts claiming intolerance towards there religion try and be a Pagan and then we can talk.
Secondly when i was in seventh grade, some six odd years ago, we learned about Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. I entirely enjoyed this part of my history curriculum. We learned some of the practices of each of these religions. There many children of different religions in my class and we were all very TOLERANT of each other. You cant claim that some one else is being intolerant when you are not TOLERANT enough to even learn about another religion and lifestyle.
Now that thats out of the way, here is the real reason i came on ...
Someone earlier mentioned how Christians do not kill people who disagree with there beliefs. I believe that someone needs to read some more history books, or some more current events. There are some Christian groups who have bombed abortion clinics because they don't believe that women should have abortions! There are other christians who have killed Gays and Blacks because they did not believe the same way of Christians. No one is saying that some Muslims are not killing people for there own beliefs, but Muslims killing people now does not mean that Christians and other religions have are not killing people now and have not killed in the past. one does not erase the other!

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"More people have died in the name of the Lord, then any natural disaster, disease, or gang war," -->Nelly

"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I looked up Butler U. It requires a course on the Koran to graduate with a major in Religion

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Thanx for doing the work I was too lazy to do.
Of course, If one is majoring in religion, one should study the Koran. Entirely appropriate.
If she was majoring in religion, then her argument is worthless. I thought she was studying something unrelated, or it was a General Ed requirement, which is what she implied.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
I'm too lazy to do the work, which would mean reading the lady's articles, then identifying the school, and searching its website, but I'll bet my share of the profits from the Train Job that reading the Quran is not officially, specifically required in the catalog of the school as a requirement to graduate.

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You might find something like this in a course catalogue: Topics in Comparative Religion 201. In this course we will make an in depth survey of major modern non-Christian religions with special emphasis on Islam and Islamic traditions...

Then li'l Miss Acti-Christian takes the course as her personal Child's Crusade against the heathen and surprise, surprise it doesn't exactly go well for her. Hm.

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That's about how I figure it ,too.

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