Are we all imprisoned w/in the USA?
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 14:25
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CTS,
Thanks for the link. I copied some of the language from it to here and tracked down most of the references from the FR. Of note is the fact that changes to passenger rules were enacted 8 days after September 11, 2001, meaning they were already drafted. I'd read the USPatriot Act was all ready to go before 9/11, but this is the first time I've come across other legislation that was pre-drafted.
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Although initially voluntary, APIS participation grew, making it nearly an industry standard.
Requirements ... were established in accordance with several statutory mandates ...
Aviation and Transportation Security Act (passed by the 107th Congress on November 19, 2001)
Enhanced Border Security and Visa Entry Reform Act of 2002
and certain Transportation Security Administration (TSA) laws and regulations (49 U.S.C. 114; 49 CFR 1544 revised 2005, 1546 revised 2005, 1550 revised 2005 http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_05/49cfrv9_05.html#1500).
A more detailed description of the histories of electronic manifest information requirements, and of these authorities, is set forth in a final rule published by CBP on April 7, 2005 at 70 FR 17820. (not available)
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So if you read the entire language, you'll find that these checks became mandatory less than 1 business week of 9/11, and the requirements have been continuously expanded since then.
This latest modification isn't some mere tweak to an ancient tradition, it's the latest ratchet by the Bush administration in its clampdown on freedom.
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i think we've been imprisoned more by our mindset than anything. we had an opportunity to create an entirely new political paradigm founded on real liberty and prosperity for everyone, free of suppressive and taxing establishments. but that ended with the Federal Reserve, the IRS and their unconstitutional ILLEGAL income taxes and property seizures... and we let back in that poisonous influence that was purged and rejected by our founding fathers from the beginning. these criminal bankers like Morgan, Rothschild and Rockefeller hijacked our government and stole the real wealth of the world, the gold and silver, laid claim to it as collateral, and gave worthless, depreciated/inflated and satanic printed paper in its place. they indebted us to them before the money even reached our hands.. and then placed an illegal tax on our labor for good measure. it was designed to steal the wealth of the world and deposit in the hands of the rich; and we, the profane unwashed masses, have never been anything more than cattle
ask the IRS to point out the law that requires us to pay income taxes.. THEY DO NOT HAVE IT, PERIOD! so not only is the FED unconstituional, the 16th amendment forbids a tax on personal labor... the supreme court actually ruled that a personal income tax is unconstitutional since income is defined in the constitution as 'profit derived through corporate exchange', not a tax on the exchange of your labor! this can be proven.. it was designed to add insult to injury and KEEP US DOWN
the FED, the IRS and their front group the CFR constitute a 'shadow government', only it comprises the dark underbelly of America that the media just cant talk about, unless its some bad guy who "evaded taxes", so subsequently has the IRS enforcers with military gear break down his door and take everything he has. we're so conditioned.. they dont have the authority! its so blatanly criminal.. the 'heads' will never admit this but thats governemtns goal, thats the agenda- the banks want a global monetary system with a UN government enforced police state- and they will get it, be it through deception consent or murder. the IMF and worldbank extended their slimy tentacles into the developing third world countries, so their was never any hope for them- but this is AMerica, land of the(once)free, and our elected representative congress knows full well that the FED is a monstrousity and has perverted(along with the well established european central banks) the entire global monetary and economic systems- but congress does not stand up for us, they are impotant and useless.. and for all intents and purposes complicit
so i appeal to anyone who doesnt believe me, research for yourself, because no matter the threat from abroad, until we expose this truth here we will never have peace of mind, but instead constant terrorism
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Originally posted by rue:
Of note is the fact that changes to passenger rules were enacted 8 days after September 11, 2001, meaning they were already drafted. I'd read the USPatriot Act was all ready to go before 9/11, but this is the first time I've come across other legislation that was pre-drafted.
not that you need to be told this.. but thats 'cause they knew 9.11 was gonna happen; it was orchestrated to turn AMerica on its head and to put a permanant orwellian backspin on our once cherished ideals. give up liberties to save freedom? well thats what theyre telling us.. and the airplain 'no fly rules' and public school terror drills is nothing but pure propoganda and social and mental conditioning- that way when they bring on the mandatory check points, RFID cards, and domestic concentration camps.. we'll know we we kneed to be good sheeple citizens and listen to big brother
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Zombie Mark happy. Need control so not be hurting himself. Happy happy. Playing with diddle at compy. Ohhhhhhhh.... Desperate Houswives on. Eva so hot. Feel so secure. I love big Brother. Yay American Idol! Yay Kelly Clarkson! Yay Carrie Underwood! Now there's REAL talent!!! Yay! Who needs liberty? Slavery is happiness. Yay slavery! I have no to think. I American putty brain. Yay Survalence! BOoooooo privacy. Privacy makes terrorism people. Mark afraid of guns. Guns kill people. Yay Cops! Yay Authority! Boooo free thought! WAR IS PEACE!!!
Scuse me comrades..... Mark need to bury head back in sand. I hope Big Brother has my ass while I sleep.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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BWAHAHAHAHA
*mopping coffee off the screen*
Yer either an anarchist or a lead-pipe libertarian Jack... either way, i'm likin it.
-Frem
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Quote:Good point.
Originally posted by SignyM:
By placing the burden on the individual ... it makes it easier to use the occasionally scrambled "no fly" list much much more freely.
I guess I am saying, as troubling as it is, it still doesn't approach the actual prisoner status much of the world has--which is having to get exit visas. The incremental trend towards exit visas is what disturbs me most, but that trend's been growing for 5 years now.
Quote:Having grown up in developing countries all over the world, I am used to this aspect of slavery ("traveling papers"). The passport is the first thing I reach for in a fire, and first thing I get my kids when they're born. Sad, isn't it? The US is just becoming more and more like other countries which are more concerned with control, and not at all with liberty.
Now I have to get a passport?
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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God made all men. They say Sam Colt made them equal.
-- Matthew Quigley, in Quigley Down Under
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Quote:Good diggin', Rue! I had no idea. Thanks.
Originally posted by rue:
Of note is the fact that changes to passenger rules were enacted 8 days after September 11, 2001, meaning they were already drafted.
Quote:In my view, a Democratic administration would have done the same thing--more or less. Plenty of Dem's voted for all these laws, including the Patriot Act, that have been chipping away at our rights and freedoms. And this proposed rule would yet be voted on by Dems. Let's see if they pass it. When a Dem wins the next election (and they will), let's see if any of these lost freedoms are restored. As I said before, if the Dems actually bring our troops home from Iraq in the next two years (and don't send them anywhere else), despite their war-protesting rhetoric, I'd eat my hat.
...it's the latest ratchet by the Bush administration in its clampdown on freedom.
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
--Voltaire (1694 - 1778)
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Rue- Good catch!
6ixpack- Dear god, but I'm beginning to catch your drift and agreeing w/ it.
Additional- It occurred to me that I was assuming that the no-fly list was a genuine security tool. However, once the costs (burden) of being singled out for "no-fly" falls on a single individual - as opposed to having to turn a plane or ship around- then the barrier to using the no-fly list as a harassment tool drops considerably because neither the carriers nor the other passengers would get behind a lawsuit.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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I like to stir the pot. "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Terror scores 'overdue for oversight'
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The incoming Senate Judiciary chairman pledged greater scrutiny Friday of computerized government anti-terrorism screening after learning that millions of Americans who travel internationally have been assigned risk assessments over the last four years without their knowledge.
"Data banks like this are overdue for oversight," said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, who will take over Judiciary in January. "That is going to change in the new Congress."
The Associated Press reported Thursday that millions of Americans and foreigners crossing U.S. borders in the past four years have been assessed by the computerized Automated Targeting System, or ATS, designed to help pick out terrorists or criminals.
The travelers are not allowed to see or directly challenge these risk assessments, which the government intends to keep on file for 40 years. Under specific circumstances, some or all data in the system can be shared with state, local and foreign governments and even some private contractors.
"It is simply incredible that the Bush administration is willing to share this sensitive information with foreign governments and even private employers, while refusing to allow U.S. citizens to see or challenge their own terror scores," Leahy said. This system "highlights the danger of government use of technology to conduct widespread surveillance of our daily lives without proper safeguards for privacy."
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F*ck Bush.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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