Evidence Jubal Early Survived!
POSTED BY: Fastmover
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 00:16
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Originally posted by TPage:
I have another reason that Jubal Early is still alive. Joss likes bringing back characters. Hell in 14 episodes we saw almost all of the 'villains' more than once. YoSafBrig, Niska, Badger (well he was less villainy), etc.
Yes, but none of them were dead characters. I'll grant you that we don't actually see Jubal die, so there is some chance that he survived. But I just don't see bringing back the dead ones--not on a show like FF. Buffy maybe (which is one of the many reasons I'm not a fan), but that's a different sort of a world.
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One of the components of Early's status is whether or not River would have allowed him to live.
River had enough technical knowledge - either from Early's mind or her own brilliance - to board his ship, link the communications of both ships, and finally to send Early's ship away. And, given how meticulous Early seemed, it'd be surprising if access to his ship and its functions were not protected by codes and/or passwords. She'd have known about a retrieval protocol or remote control system and could've disabled them.
So...why would River let him live?
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Originally posted by TPage:
I have another reason that Jubal Early is still alive. Joss likes bringing back characters. Hell in 14 episodes we saw almost all of the 'villains' more than once. YoSafBrig, Niska, Badger (well he was less villainy), etc.
Yes, but none of them were dead characters. I'll grant you that we don't actually see Jubal die, so there is some chance that he survived. But I just don't see bringing back the dead ones--not on a show like FF. Buffy maybe (which is one of the many reasons I'm not a fan), but that's a different sort of a world.
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Do I really need to mention Dobson in the comic series?
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Originally posted by Causal:
[BI, for one, have no problem letting the Blue Hand men, Book, Wash, and Jubal stay good and dead. It makes the world more real to me, in some ways that people die--peope we like--and they stay dead.
Unlike the others you mention Jubel was only left for dead. Big difference. If Dobson can come back from having his face shot off Jubel can survive floating in space for a spell.
David
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Originally posted by mrben:
I'm sure I read/saw somewhere that there is a reflection of Jubal's ship in his visor when we see him at the end of the episode, indicating that it was coming to pick him up.....
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I actually posted a comment on the old official Serenity Movie board about this. I went back and studied DVD and you could see lights reflecting on Jubal's helmet. They looked like they could very well be ship lights to me. A troll quickly dismissed my theory saying that the producers and special effects people were only concerned about wrapping up shooting and weren't concerned with that amount of detail. I see something there when I go back and look. I wonder if anyone else sees it also.
Another theory was that when Jubal says, "Well, here I am," that phrase is actually a code word for his ship's computer to seek him out and come pick him up.
Joss has also been quoted as to saying that Jubal is alive and may return in any sequels that may follow.
http://forums.spacebattles.com/archive/index.php/t-78510.html
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Originally posted by Shrouded:
Do I really need to mention Dobson in the comic series?
I suppose you do...not a big fan of the comics, myself (yes, I'm aware Joss wrote them; don't care). The sort of bringing back from the dead I'm talking about is unambiguous dying (of the sort that Wash and Book had) versus ambiguous fates (like Early's). Take Dobson: a buddy can survive being shot, even in the head--it's unlikely, but not impossible. On that interpretation, Dobson might not have been dead when they tossed him out the cargo door. Wash, on the other hand, has a 3-inch spike driven through his chest, and is quite clearly portrayed as a dead man and is buried at the end of the film. There's no coming back from that, save magic or cloning. And that just doesn't seem like it would fit in the FF world. I'm not saying Jubal's dead--I'm just saying that I don't think miraculous back-from-the-dead stories are quite fitting for FF. Buffy maybe (which is, again, why I'm not a fan), but not FF.
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My reason why Jubal Early survived: You see his ship in Trash.
But wait, you say, "Trash came before OiS!"
But not in the original running order, where Heart of Gold and OiS came before Trash.
It was reordered for the DVD release to give closure to the series.
(the order etc is from others, as I arrived very late onto the scene. long after Firefly and Serenity were both available.)
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Right--because there can only be one of that type of ship in the entire 'verse. Come on, now--that's a pretty weak reason. Is Serenity the only Firefly? Even if he's a rich bounty hunter, I doubt he could afford to have a fully unique ship constructed.
And by that logic, Caprica is part of the 'verse--after all, we see Serenity in the miniseries.
"But no--that was just the folks at Zoic having fun!"
Yup. I rest my case.
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Another link to Joss' comment.
http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_6536.html
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