Are we all imprisoned w/in the USA?
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 14:25
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woops.. dbl post
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"Originally posted by rue:
I can see it now - if you want to leave the US you MUST be a disaffected person, therefore you cannot travel !"
HEY ! Did somebody take me seriously ?? !!
UUUhhhh, I guess I gotta work on my delivery ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Hmmm, well IMHO Chrisisall, Rue, and SargeX were joking
and so was John Kerry?
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SO Geezer- what did you see in the new rule?
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061121/ap_on_go_ot/passports_air_travel
WASHINGTON - Nearly all air travelers entering the U.S. will be required to show passports beginning Jan. 23, including returning Americans and people from Canada and other nations in the Western Hemisphere.
The date was disclosed Tuesday by Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff in an interview with The Associated Press. The Department of Homeland Security plans to announce the change on Wednesday.
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Just wanted to bump this up: US citizens returning to the US by air will need to have passports to re-enter the country after January 23, 2007.
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'pparently Geezer didn't see anything in the new regulation worth writing about. What a tease!
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Sigh ... yeah ....
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Sig,
Thanks for the heads up on this issue. After reading the proposed rule though, it doesn't sound as alarming as Hasbrouck made it sound. That is, it does not seem to be that much of a change from current policy. It isn't like we have to get exit visas, as in many other countries.
This is the part I found relevant:
Quote:
Accordingly, with this proposed
rule, CBP is proposing two transmission options for air carriers to
select from at their discretion: (i) the submission of complete
manifests no later than 60 minutes prior to departure or (ii)
transmitting passenger data as individual, real-time transactions,
i.e., as each passenger checks in, up to but no later than 15 minutes
prior to departure. Under both options, the carrier will not permit the
boarding of a passenger unless the passenger has been cleared by CBP.
http://www.hasbrouck.org/documents/USCBP-2005-0003-0003.pdf
All government regulations are disconcerting to me, and the trend towards greater and greater control of travel is gravely disturbing. But I don't think we are prisoners--yet. Just my take.
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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There are a couple parts to the regulation that are troubling, and the more the regulation progresses the more troubling they become.
WHile it makes sense to keep "terrorists" off planes and boats, the "no fly" list has some doozy errors in it. By placing the burden on the individual (keeping them from boarding) as opposed to placing the burden on the traveling public and carriers (turning the plane/ ship around) it makes it easier to use the occasionally scrambled "no fly" list much much more freely. That's my first take.
Interestingly, Homeland Security has just today isseud noticed that people returning from Canada or Mexico must now carry a passport. Wow. I visit friends in Canada at least every other year. Now I have to get a passport?
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