Firefly - The Movie News?

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UPDATED: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 07:36
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DESANGRO

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 9:48 PM

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Originally posted by Werespaz:
What made EP II suck more than EP I for me was the lack of anything interesting. EP I had Darth Maul and one of the best fight scenes I've seen in a really long time. Sure there was Jar Jar (someone please put him out of his misery!) and some of the worst kid acting ever to stain the silver screen. Not to mention the whole "force is a collection of microscopic organisms" crap and Anakins whole "immaculate conception". But it had some interesting stuff with some kind of a story you cared about. EP II had nothing but crap scene after crap scene. And just to help you understand my full meaning, I've been in love with Star Wars since I was five. Star Wars stuff was all I ever asked for on birthdays and Christmas until I was almost 18, that's when I got into the comic books, novels and computer games. Now I'm 29 and I still collect Star Wars Legos, games and books. However, I can't abide George Lucas totally wrecking the whole genre and trying to turn it into some Star Trek wannabe, or something worse. He took all the things that made the original series great and got rid of them, then he took some of the things that helped make it stand apart and exaggerated them into rediculousness. Pair that with a cast that couldn't have less chemistry even if they were in different movies (an actual movie critic quote) with an unbelievably bad story, not to mention writing and you get a giant pile of Bantha poo, that I'm just not gonna swallow. Sorry. I don't care how "alien" the aliens look, I don't care how big the explosions are, I don't care how over-the-top evil Anakin has to become (seemingly overnight), and I really don't care for a Yoda that fights like a spastic bouncy-ball (the "real" Yoda would've found a better way than relying on his "physical" skills).
I guess my point it, I'm terribly upset that Mr. Lucas can spoon feed us crap (especially when he's got such a talented design team) and people still just eat it up only because "it's Star Wars". I say we demand better quality from him, the kind of quality we know his team can produce. Sadly, it means that the megalomaniac that he is will have to let go of the reins a bit, and we all know that ain't gonna happen.

Anyway, that's my rant, it seems that my love of Star Wars has been replaces with a love for Firefly (and LOTR).

The difference between fact and fiction is that fiction needs to be believable.

-The SpAz

AMEN, brother. Speaking as a former Star Wars fan myself, I agree with every single point you've made. Eerie, huh?

KALATHENA

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 9:50 PM

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Umm... I hate to whine, but the page with the Firefly news on it has a HUGE Angel spoiler. Could you put a warning about this?

Hey, thanks for the heads up. I loathe spoilers and I would have been PISSED if I'd have clicked on that link before reading this. You have just made my day!

--Kala

WERESPAZ

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 10:02 PM

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AMEN, brother. Speaking as a former Star Wars fan myself, I agree with every single point you've made. Eerie, huh?

Fortunately, we're not alone. All of my friends feel pretty much the same way. Maybe we should start a support group. Either that or a George Lucas assination cobra ninja death squad. I could go either way.

-The SpAz

LTNOWIS

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 10:14 PM

I hate to continue this off-topicness, but you guys should still be Star Wars fans even though the last 2 movies sucked. Just don't patronize the sucky stories. Before they had even written The Empire Strikes Back, there were Star Wars comics that, i assume, were an abomination. They continued their parade of crappiness through the 80s, then started writing novels with Tim Zahn. I hate to compare being a fan to religion, but I belong to the Episcopal Church, where a bunch of us feel betrayed by their decision to elect the actively gay bishop. (Not me. I don't really care either way.) One guy I talked to was on the council that elected the Virginia Bishop, who voted in favor of the gay recognition. Sure he feels hurt, betrayed, angry, etc., but he's still an Episcopal.
Or you could compare being a fan to being a good citizen. That'd also be a good analogy.

WERESPAZ

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 10:27 PM

You're exactly right. That's why, in my rant I said this:

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Now I'm 29 and I still collect Star Wars Legos, games and books.

That's also one of the reason's I'm so mad about it. Here was the amazing jewel in the midst of a sea of crappy sci-fi, and it gets turned into all that it had risen above in the first place, by the creator no less. It's because I love the Star Wars universe so much that I'm so upset by it's lastest eps.
You're even right about it being analagous to a religion, and that you've got to take the bad with the good. The novel went on a deep trip down the slide of crap, but I read them anyway, because there was still some good stuff in them. The original comics were horrible (though I didn't notice because I was, like, eight at the time) but I still have them, somewhere.
I guess when I complain about the first two eps, I'm not actually say the Episodes are crap, but ranting about how the creator could take them down to that level so horribly. I don't hate the eps, I hate George Lucas for destroying a thing of beauty in the eyes of so many who trusted him. When EP 3 comes out, I'll probably still watch it in the theatre. I'll still get excited when the intro music starts to play. I'll still have hope that maybe, just maybe this one will be better, but I know it won't be. George is too far into his own dimentia to understand what he's done.

-The SpAz

HJERMSTED

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 11:03 PM

ONWARD FIREFLY!!

One tree sprouts while another one rots and dies. Star Wars, I'm afraid, is the latter dying tree. In it's death throes it will still garner millions of dollars for Lucas, Inc. but any vitality or or even innovation the series ever had remains trapped in the decade known as the 80s. The glimmer in Lucas' eye has morphed itself into a big fat dollar $ign that he can barely see past as he sits at his computer screen typing the next Star Wars script.

It's up to young tv/film franchises with new characters and premises to captivate us with cool new stories and ideas.

I predict Firefly the film will do well and that the DVD set will continue to be the coolest business card a franchise could ever hope for... circulating this strange new mythology around the globe (during this interval between show and movie) ever expanding the fan base.

Lucas can/should retire rich. But he needs to just STOP. He's embarassing himself by producing films which are essentially video games and action figure lines BEFORE they are stories and films. He also has a way of making gifted actors look BAD. Lucas hit upon a zeitgeist back in the late '70s to early '80s but he's kind of a writing/directing fraud if you really examine his career. His true talent lies in producing and merchandising.

Lucas should have gone the Roddenberry route and allowed actual sci fi writers to create and expand the Star Wars universe. Hell, look at what Whedon has done with all of his shows... he's hired (and still employs) some of the best damned writers in the business.

I hate to put it so harshly, but Star Wars has become big budget Pokemon. It's just a cash cow, y'all.

mattro

THEDUKE333

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 11:13 PM

you dont happen to play Star Wars Galaxies do you???

DUEY

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 11:30 PM

I'd rather them take a long time and do it right with everybody involved than do a poor rush job. I don't think the people involved in this material WOULD do a poor job.

I can wait as long as it takes, I just want it. :)Badly. Really badly.

So badly.

"Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. Not as the world gives, give I unto you. Do not let your hearts be troubled, and do not be afraid." John 14:27

GEORDIESTEVE2003

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 11:43 PM

Other writers at the top of their game have been rushed into new projects, or movie adaptations, and they have gone sour. The reverse happened with Lucas, too much time, and it went sour, but thats another story.

Look at JMS, who rushed into Crusade on the back of B5, and it was unfortunately quite poor, despite some glimmers.

I would have very happy if the Firefly movie came out in 2005, no problems with that at all, just as long they give Joss time enough to breathe and think it all through. Better late than never totally applies with this.

AERRIN

Wednesday, February 11, 2004 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by BoomerGoodheart:

Hey...here's an idea that just occurred to me...LOL...it's a ways off, so when official word comes down from on high, we should plan a Shindig somewhere for that weekend, then take a huge group of die-hard fans to the opening. Man, what fun that would be (especially if they left in the theme song and everyone was singing along).

BoomerGoodheart
"I love my Captain."

Abso-friggin-lutely! I want one of these. Yes.

And randomly, thanks to those of you who mentioned the Angel spoiler - Would've screamed myself silly if I'd seen something. Here's to looking out for fellow fans.

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