Why Wash is 100% alive and mostly well.
POSTED BY: pastorbadger
UPDATED: Thursday, November 22, 2007 09:57
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A) that's funny.
B) Collapsed lungs and damaged heart isn't even the begining of the trouble. It cuts right through the spinal cord, which is instant death no matter how much technology one has. Then it clips the side of the heart, severing many vital arteries, while force trauma collapses the left ventricle and crushes the rest against the rib cage. The lungs aren't just "collapsed" as many people have so quaintly put it; They are torn apart. It ends it's journey by bursting through the sternum and springing probably all the ribs, which then in turn pierce half a dozen other vital organs. How do I know this? I sat down with my science teacher mother and her model of the human body, with the movie paused at the moment of impact. We discussed the subject at length.
I hate to be a downer folks, but no power in the verse can bring him back. *SOOOOOOOOB* 
. I wish I could believe you.
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Originally posted by GrayAlbatross:
A) that's funny.
B) Collapsed lungs and damaged heart isn't even the begining of the trouble. It cuts right through the spinal cord, which is instant death no matter how much technology one has. Then it clips the side of the heart, severing many vital arteries, while force trauma collapses the left ventricle and crushes the rest against the rib cage. The lungs aren't just "collapsed" as many people have so quaintly put it; They are torn apart. It ends it's journey by bursting through the sternum and springing probably all the ribs, which then in turn pierce half a dozen other vital organs. How do I know this? I sat down with my science teacher mother and her model of the human body, with the movie paused at the moment of impact. We discussed the subject at length.
I hate to be a downer folks, but no power in the verse can bring him back. *SOOOOOOOOB*
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When in doubt, consult the hamster.
Also, I can kill you with my brain
People have survived with that before. With crappy medicine.
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It happened in an episode of Grey’s Anatomy called “Into You Like A Train Wreck” … except one (the guy) lived the other (the girl) died… it’s possible.
But it's Firefly/Serenity. So anything can happen.
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Ah, so this is a necro post is it? When I first saw this I thought it was a complete joke, and it was amusing, but well thought out all the same. nice work. "Our chocolate River" hahaha, dark chocolate, the best kind.
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I agree wholeheartedly that the deaths of Wash and Book were brilliant bits o' storytellin'. They also made me cry.
That said, I think that we could see some damn creative ways of "Getting Better" to quote Python Monty Pictures ltd. from our Joss.
Remember, Joss is Boss.
I think that having one or both come back in a plausible way would have extreme emotional impact, both for the crew and for the audience. Especially if done as was suggested further up and long ago in this very thread - namely:
"Honey, I'm Home!"
"Wash, you're dead."
"Dead! Hmmm. Well, I got better."
And then have him turn out to be an alliance spy/assassin &c.
This would play mary hobb with Zoe, which would not doubt screw up Mal's ability to survive ((She's the brains behind the outfit, doncha know)) and probably would get Jayne shot and//or knocked out by a 90 year old -- man...with man boobs.
Hilarity and drama ensue.
And then there's the Shepherd coming back. I could see it now -
River is convinced that miracles can happen and becomes a born-again Christian, along with a thoroughly impressed Jayne. Simon is constantly trying to figure out what happened because all signs of the massive bullet wound in Book's gut are gone, and Mal gets confused hilariously.
Now, I know this doesn't deal at all with the technical sides of how they "Pulled through, sah" after there apparently mortal woundings, in their own particular "Idiom". But truthfully what we're discussing here is not what is medically feasible in the Firefly//Sereniverse. It is what effect on the story would this situation bring, and then how to carry it out. The latter part is always going to be secondary to a good story. Even in Ender's Game ((A book I thoroughly approve of)), the Ansible and Philotic technology is so obviously counter to our current understanding of physics ((Which, hope of hopes, might change.)) but is necessary for the story, and therefore we suspend our disbelief. And come on, is not Joss a master of story telling?
All in all, it is unsurprising and entirely inevitable that this thread has once again popped up, and once again I post by .02 plat. All I ask now is if Pastor B. is here, would he please reply and give us his general thoughts on how his suitably massive and peer reviewed//criticized thread has become? That would be great. And seeing him again would be nice.
"I'm not going to say Serenity is the greatest SciFi movie ever; oh wait yes I am." - Orson Scott Card
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It is entirely possible that Wash survived the landing but I think the creamation or burial might have done him in. 
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Anyone else notice that this thread just won't die? Kinda reminds me of a few Joss Whedon characters...
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Originally posted by rallem:
It is entirely possible that Wash survived the landing but I think the creamation or burial might have done him in.
We don't know that they did bury him. We know there was a marker put up. The crew would not have thought much of it if there was no body there when they got back, considering the circumstances. They probably didn't have Book's body either, but they put up a marker for him. (And if anybody says they strapped his body to the front of the ship...
).
"We may experience some slight turbulence, and then... explode."
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Of course Zoe said he wasn't coming, she had last seen him pinned like an itty bitty bug to his pilot's chair. However, while watching the movie, I was expecting Wash to be back. Kept expecting him to walk down the ramp at the end. Was actually disappointed when he didn't.
Yeah, so he had a gorram spike [nod to steering column] through his chest.
Couldn't the operative have had a squad still on the ground? After all, they were expecting Serenity to come back. So, medical assistance is possible.
Alternative to Wash being dead but bringing back Alan: Wash's brother, Dry. :P
Shepherd being dead made sense to me (as I've stated in posts elsewhere on the forum). After all, he was a man of faith and there is a pattern of martyrdom in that faith.
I am not a Buffy fan, nor have I watched more than one episode of that particular series, so I'm not clear on Joss' predilection for reincarnation. But it makes sense in Firefly.
Thank you Pastorbadger for providing us with an alternative.
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Just for Old times sake -
"Of course Zoe said he wasn't coming, she had last seen him pinned like an itty bitty bug to his pilot's chair."
Steering Column!
This thread just won't die. Which I think is ironic, considering it's content.
I say we have an entirely unscientific poll to determine if Wash is dead or not. We shall count each time this thread has popped back up after a month of dormancy as a vote for Wash possibly being in a state of quasi-not-yet-deadness three times! no more no less! Then we can count every time a person has brought up the Steering Column! argument as one vote for and one half vote against the above Wash proposition. And then afterwards we can duke it out and decide that this thread is really needing to take a cricket bat to the head, as it's obviously a zombie thread, and get no further in our logical discussion of Why Wash is 100% Alive and Mostly Well.
Your thoughts?
And would the Real Pastor Badger Please Stand Up!?
"I'm not going to say Serenity is the greatest SciFi movie ever; oh wait yes I am." - Orson Scott Card
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Quote:
Originally posted by micjwelch:
Anyone else notice that this thread just won't die? Kinda reminds me of a few Joss Whedon characters...Quote:
Originally posted by rallem:
It is entirely possible that Wash survived the landing but I think the creamation or burial might have done him in.
We don't know that they did bury him. We know there was a marker put up. The crew would not have thought much of it if there was no body there when they got back, considering the circumstances. They probably didn't have Book's body either, but they put up a marker for him. (And if anybody says they strapped his body to the front of the ship...
"We may experience some slight turbulence, and then... explode."
Book's body was strapped to the hull of Serenity so they did have the bodies to Wash, Book, and Mr. Universe the three people buried.
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