Reps Cheated again Voter fraud just didn't work this time
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UPDATED: Friday, November 17, 2006 19:55
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the voting machines were working in favor of the republicans again. The voting machines flipped votes in favor of republicans over Democrates, the reason why it didn't work this time and the Democrates were able to squeak by and win the senate is because in Places like Virgina and Montana the machines didn't flip enough votes, because of high voter turn out in favor of democrates.
The exit polling in Virgina showed D-Webb up 5% over R-Allen but the machine only had him up by 7,000 votes
In Montana the Democrate Tester I believe is his name in that state according to the exit polls had an 8% lead over the Rep Burns and yet he only squeaked by a couple of thousand votes ahead
The exit polls have been right on target with only a 1% diffrence in every other state but in the two states that the Reps were relying on to get the senate are the ones where the exit polls and the actual vote count didn't add up, this is not a coincidence as we are all aware, its the same old cheating that has been going on all along, only this time it didn't work out.
Next time around I doubt if we'll be so lucky!!
of course there were voting problems all over the country with the diebolt machines and black box voting, by some miracle the democrates were able to overcome the cheating and get in, so I hope they really take care of this problem, its not like these machines are skewed in favor of Democrates for the most part they aren't
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&a
ddress=203x457571
http://www.bradblog.com/
also listen to the Tom Hartman audio on Bradblog
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I wondered why Allen suddenly conceded after ramping up a fight. I figured Warner told Allen that the vote count wouldn't stand scrutiny.
The other thing I heard - and I hope it's true - is that democrats who lost will be challenging the count.
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Well kudo's to them here in California thanks to Debra Bowen we do have some from of paper trail for the black box voting, but I don't know how democrates in other states are going to be able to contest, unless they are counting the paper ballots and mail in ballots, alot of Democrates chose to use paper ballots and mail ins because of the cheating, so actually if that is the route it makes sense because I get the feeling alot of those ballots have not been added into the equation
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I am concerned that this election was an outlyer (that public sentiment was so strongly against the GOP that all the structural biases they had put in place weren't enough to overcome the will of the people).
I'm especially worried about the disenfranchisement that happens before people even get to the ballot box. The phone calls and flyers giving false polling addresses. The threats that you will be arrested if you vote. The use of ID card laws to disenfranchise senior citizens and the poor (in a stupid attempt to crack down on something that isn't even a documented problem). The hiring of private companies to purge voter rolls. Limited equipment in low income neighborhoods resulting in long lines. Running out of ballots. Malfunctioning machines. And on and on.
We need to put up or shut up. If voting is as important as everyone says it is, then to try to disenfranchise someone should be a serious crime. How about thirty years in prison if you knowingly give someone a false polling location? How about a million dollar fine if you distribute flyers with incorrect polling information? How about providing free picture IDs to every registered voter as soon as you pass an ID law? How about any company that is shown to have wrongly removed a voter from the voting rolls is fined fifteen million dollars? How about if you have to wait longer than an hour to vote the property taxes in your precinct go down? How about the ability to print official ballots in any language we choose at each polling location (or at least one per precinct)?
We put a man on the motherfucking moon in less than ten years and we can't get this right? Or is it just that those in power don't want to get this right? Well, there's a remedy for that, it's called hard time in prison. Let's put our money where our mouth is. Let's show we value voting.
* edited to add: I'm irritated in party because I've been watching videos over at http://videothevote.org/ . You should check some of them out. It amazes me what some of these people had to put up with in order to vote. And it's a true testament to how important they think voting is, that they're willing to put up with all this crap.
* edited to add one more thing: I never really got around to the actual vote hacking in my post. I think we need to treat any attempt to change the votes of the people as treason. Plain and simple. You change votes, you're a traitor. And this would be one of those cases where I would have no problem with the death penalty. If you take away someone's vote you are killing their American dream. It's a murder of the soul.
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Soupcatcher,
I agree with you. I hope that democrats push for investigations everywhere they lost. That would give the US a shot a finding the fraud and cleaning up her elections.
I've been really curious about this year's exit polls. Ever since I heard the pollsters were sequestered I've been intrigued. I was hoping that 'uncorrected' results would be available and I've been looking for them. But, according to this one website, the only results that are being released are the 'corrected' official ones. DRAT!
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_bob_fitr_061108_stop_blackwell
_2c_what.htm
Atop the list is exit polling, which the GOP has delegated to the trash heap. Exit polls have evolved into an exact science, and have served to protect the democratic process and to overturn stolen elections throughout the world.
In Germany, exit polls accompany and monitor every election to within 0.1 percent accuracy. In Ukraine, just prior to the 2004 US presidential election, exit polls showed a presidential election had been stolen. The resulting uproar led to a new election and a different outcome. In Mexico, the Philippines, former Soviet Georgia and elsewhere, exit polling has become the indispensible check and balance against election theft.
Which is exactly the purpose it served in the United States in 2004. A consortium of the major networks and Associated Press paid millions to the Edison/Mitofsky organization to provide exit polls that would be within 1.0% accuracy. The findings were clear: John Kerry won the national vote count by a substantial majority, and carried nine of the eleven key swing states, giving him a very significant victory in the electoral college.
But the official vote count said otherwise. After winning in the exit polls at around 12:30am election night, Kerry somehow became the loser nine hours later. Against odds in the 200 million-plus range, in ten of eleven swing states, the exit poll margin went to an official vote count for Bush with a swing well outside the margin of error. Four of those states---Ohio, Iowa, Nevada and New Mexico---left the Kerry and went to Bush, giving Bush the presidency.
Had this happened in a third world country, the world community would have demanded a new election. Some might even have sent troops.
But the reaction of the GOP has been to decimate the exit polls. This year, for the first time, exit poll results will not be published, or made accessible to the general media. Instead, exit poll data will be held in locked vaults. Access by the media will be strictly limited. There will be no publication of the exit polls until they are "adjusted" to match the official vote counts.
No other country in the world is doing this. But the GOP has made it clear to the corporate media that it will not tolerate another "fiasco" like 2004, where the exit polls showed clearly that John Kerry was the rightful winner not only in Ohio, but nationwide.
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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Soupcatcher,
I agree with you. I hope that democrats push for investigations everywhere they lost. That would give the US a shot a finding the fraud and cleaning up her elections.
I've been really curious about this year's exit polls. Ever since I heard the pollsters were sequestered I've been intrigued. I was hoping that 'uncorrected' results would be available and I've been looking for them. But, according to this one website, the only results that are being released are the 'corrected' official ones. DRAT!
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_bob_fitr_061108_stop_blackwell
_2c_what.htm
Atop the list is exit polling, which the GOP has delegated to the trash heap. Exit polls have evolved into an exact science, and have served to protect the democratic process and to overturn stolen elections throughout the world.
In Germany, exit polls accompany and monitor every election to within 0.1 percent accuracy. In Ukraine, just prior to the 2004 US presidential election, exit polls showed a presidential election had been stolen. The resulting uproar led to a new election and a different outcome. In Mexico, the Philippines, former Soviet Georgia and elsewhere, exit polling has become the indispensible check and balance against election theft.
Which is exactly the purpose it served in the United States in 2004. A consortium of the major networks and Associated Press paid millions to the Edison/Mitofsky organization to provide exit polls that would be within 1.0% accuracy. The findings were clear: John Kerry won the national vote count by a substantial majority, and carried nine of the eleven key swing states, giving him a very significant victory in the electoral college.
But the official vote count said otherwise. After winning in the exit polls at around 12:30am election night, Kerry somehow became the loser nine hours later. Against odds in the 200 million-plus range, in ten of eleven swing states, the exit poll margin went to an official vote count for Bush with a swing well outside the margin of error. Four of those states---Ohio, Iowa, Nevada and New Mexico---left the Kerry and went to Bush, giving Bush the presidency.
Had this happened in a third world country, the world community would have demanded a new election. Some might even have sent troops.
But the reaction of the GOP has been to decimate the exit polls. This year, for the first time, exit poll results will not be published, or made accessible to the general media. Instead, exit poll data will be held in locked vaults. Access by the media will be strictly limited. There will be no publication of the exit polls until they are "adjusted" to match the official vote counts.
No other country in the world is doing this. But the GOP has made it clear to the corporate media that it will not tolerate another "fiasco" like 2004, where the exit polls showed clearly that John Kerry was the rightful winner not only in Ohio, but nationwide.
I agree the Dems now have two year to try and fix this problem if they don't do anything I really think democracy in this country is over.
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Wow, you Democrats can't even win without being sore losers.
Clearly the Democrats have been planning this all along. Endless accusations of cheating and fixing as well as Democratic operatives conducting "exit polls" to support your preconceived conclusion that the Republicans cheated even though they lost all in an effort to distract attention from the largest voter fraud in history as millions of dead and/or illegal persons turned up to vote or sent in absentee ballots. There is no evidence and that itself is proof.
Or maybe more people voted for Democrats then for Republicans...we just don't know which is true, but clearly we should not certify this election until we know for sure.
I don't know if it was fraud, but my provisional ballot (because I recently moved to a bigger house reflecting my rising income and social status) didn't include the local library levy and it passed by only 40 votes...and I would have voted against it (we don't need libraries). I'm considering suing...but what kind of person would sue to overturn an election?
H
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Hero,
people on this board have cited at nausium much evidence of election fraud in the past. Quit pretending they're making shit up out of the blue.
It isn't at all the same as you saying millions of fake voters turned up on the rolls, because you couldn't cite a lick of evidence for that.
Look, the democrats are in power now. I don't want them to use the broken system in their favor, now that they have control. I want them to fix the system. I don't want them to have the ability to cheat any more than I want the Republicans to.
What about that disgusts you, exactly?
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Good point. A non-transparent system only serves the powerful.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Righteous9:
It isn't at all the same as you saying millions of fake voters turned up on the rolls, because you couldn't cite a lick of evidence for that.
I have studied the Democratic playbook. Lack of evidence is proof. For example, George Bush's visit to Iran in the back of an SR-71 in 1980 to secure a hostage deal for Reagan and undermine Carter...the original October surprise. The Democratic Speaker himself said that the lack of evidence was what warranted continued investigation. They had hearings...HEARINGS!
And these sources for the supposed Republican cheating are often the same sources that prove the WTC was intentionally demolished and that the planes hitting them were empty and controlled by remote.
Does fraud happen? Yes. Is it systematic or orchestrated? No. Fraud comes in all shapes and colors (red and blue) and generally amounts to little or nothing. In some places a white person is intimidated, saw that on CNN, in other places a machine is tampered with, saw that on MSNBC, in other places dead people vote, saw that on Fox, in some places the lines are long, saw that on CBS, in some places the ballots are misprinted, saw that on ABC, and in some places the emergency rooms are full of people needing help, saw that on NBC (ER).
H
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