Rummy is OUT!
POSTED BY: Eric
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 16:41
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Quote:Oh come on, it's not like George Bush ever expressed an interest in being a dictator. Not like he ever said things would be better if he was is it.
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
One can be elected and still become a Dictator. When ol' G.W. stated that he was THE DECIDER, that sounded pretty dictatorish to me. If I remember correctly, WE the People of the US are THE DECIDERS and the President works for us
"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just as long as I'm the dictator..."
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"Why is it then, that when given an opportunity to unite in an effort to enrich every person’s life – with the vast cultural diversity of this entire planet and with the potential for such great strides in all things that can indeed make this world sustainable for many generations to come, why is it that we continue to denigrate one another? Ok, so maybe I’m coming off like Rodney King when he uttered that infamous line, “why can’t we just all get along…” "
Why can't we all just get along? First of all, because I loathe, despise - I HATE liars and cheats. Personally. Don't you? When someone is lying to your face and you know they are doing it on purpose, don't you just hate it? And when they do it over and over don't you just hate them after a while?
And about hate - as was pointed out to me, people don't hate each other when there is no 'stuff' on the line. It wouldn't matter to me or you or anyone what other people did or said if there was no loss of 'stuff'. Look at the Serbs v - well, just about everyone else. It wasn't that they were 'different' from their neighbors, it was about control of land and resources. The same with Rwanda.
The Alliance here believes in a system of great concentration of wealth (and political and social control to make that happen). The others see their payscales going down expenses zooming up (like gas and healthcare). Asking people on the downside to 'get along' with the people on the upside is like asking people to get along with their muggers and rapists.
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But Rue, what if you looked at it from an energetic standpoint? There's a ton of energy invested in hate. And what does it get ya? What benefit do you achieve from railing against the likes of AURaptor and Hero? These men have shown their true colors time and again. Even newbies to this board will see what these guys are up to after a few posts. I can totally understand blowing off steam on the Internet, but this is kind of a campaign with you. What is all your hate in aid of?
As to hating liars and cheats, I don't, at this point in my life. They make me pretty sad, honestly. I'll get pissed if someone's trying to hoodwink me right in front of my face, but I won't waste my hate on 'em.
People lie to my face seven times seven times a day, Rue. I'm exagerating, I suppose, but really, if you have an ego--and everyone has one--you lie, first and foremost to yourself. The ego wants control, wants protection. Lying creates the illusion of both, quite effectively. The ego never trusts, never lets go. If there's any letting go being done, it's letting go of that dang ego.
Seriously, I've done more than my share of hating in this lifetime, but I've learned that when I hate it takes a far greater toll on me than on the objects of my furry. Hate blinds. Hate binds us to the ones we hate.
And how are these liars to be stopped anyway? Why does someone stop lying? Because someone proves it? Has that ever worked on anyone? Ever?
People stop lying when the benefits of lying are outweighed by the costs. The primary cost of lying, in my experience, is dignity. All kinds of people go their whole lives without finding dignity. Also, self-respect, integrity, intimacy and trust. No one was ever bullied into valuing these. Maybe hate just makes the problem worse.
Now I'm not saying you gotta be Jesus or anything. I'm just asking you, asking everyone, to take a look at what's being contributing with the hate. It's abundantly clear to me that you're a deeply caring person, Rue, someone who creates a lot of positive change in your life and in the lives of those around you. Just from reading your posts on this board, I've benefited enormously from your extensive research and hard-won knowledge of a whole bunch of things, including the human heart.
Anyway, I don't have it all figgered out. My solution, such as it is, has been to post less and less frequently in these discussions. I miss participating, but I rarely find an in these days with all the name-calling and sock-puppetry. It's good to see you still engaged, still standing up for your values. I just don't see much value in taking the extra step of puting people down on top of it, y'know?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Quote:Maybe we need a seperate "Real World Fight Club Discussions" where we could go all out, and actual potentially constructive political discussion could stay in here...
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I just don't see much value in taking the extra step of puting people down on top of it, y'know?
Then we could say "Take it outside, boys!"
(That sounds so shiny, heh heh)
"Rue, Chrisisall, Auraptor, Hero, TAKE IT OUTSIDE, BOYS!!"
Guess it would be used often, though
The last angry Chrisisall
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HK,
As usual you have given me much to think about.
And I'm not sure where the hate in me comes from. I tolerate all sorts of things. But I have a 'thing' about lying and cheating. It seriously pisses me off. So what I need to do, I think, is try to figure out a different response.
What I DO know is that lies can't be allowed to stand. If they go unchallenged they gain credibility. At some point a lie turns into common knowledge - 'everyone knows ... it.'
Slightly off this exact topic, one of the things I think is that Air America (and affiliates) started puncturing the slick lying of the administration and the media lapdogs. For years everything you saw on the network 'news' was hunky-dory and Bush was god on earth. When Air America started broadcasting real and contrary facts, slowly the great media ship turned around. They were getting questions about the less than flattering stories they DIDN'T cover. Ever so begrudgingly little items got let out here and there on the 'official' network news most people accept. And it was the steady erosion of Bush's image that caused the swing in the voting. (And let's not forget the corporations and media jumping on the bandwagon - there were a lot of large last-minute donations and more Bush-damagings news items as the democrats came up in the polls.)
But it took people WITH INTENTION at countering administration lies that got this done. I don't believe truth will out. I think sometimes it has to be fought for.
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Originally posted by Eric:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/08/rumsfeld.ap/index.htmlQuote:
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, architect of an unpopular war in Iraq, intends to resign after six stormy years at the Pentagon, Republican officials said Wednesday.
Officials said Robert Gates, former head of the CIA, would replace Rumsfeld.
Here's one thing at least most of us can agree is a good thing
Rummy maybe out, but the guy they've replaced him with is no better, knowing Bush this guy is probably worse, less arrogant and flippant but worse.
Is it good that Rumsfeld is out, yes..but its not good that he's been replaced by someone who is worse.
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One wonders why you ever bother to comment given the above criteria, being that you know nothing about anything as post after post eloquently shows.
So, your reply is that I " know nothing about anything "? How old are you, 8 ? Guess I can expect a " I KNOW YOU, BUT WHAT AM I " retort from you next. Pathetic.
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Okay Kerry. I mean AURaptor.
translation: Raptor's correct, and I can't offer up a coherent excuse for saying what I did or muster up enough backbone to acknowledge his point. So I'll offer up a inane, glib response instead, and move on to something else.
I'll skip over the nonsense of the 2000 election, as there's never been any evidence to support it being stolen. And since the burden of proof lies upon the ones making that assertion, it's a moot issue.
Next....
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And actually I have heard a great deal of what he's said, been through his site you see, seems your typical extreme right wing talk show host to me, going on and on about how it's 'their fault'...
So, you've not listened to his show. Understandable, being you're across the pond. Oh sure, you've heard bits and pieces, selectively chosen small audio clips, or filtered comments of what he's said. Of course, you went in with a biased view of what he was like, so your opinion was slanted from the get go.
And even NBC's Matt Lauer confessed that Limbaugh wasn't so far off on his comments toward Michael J.Fox and the embryonic stem cell controversy, saying....
" Rush Limbaugh started a lot of controversy when he said perhaps Michael J. Fox is exaggerating or faking these effects of Parkinson's Disease in that ad promoting stem cell research. Didn't Rush Limbaugh just say what a lot of people are privately thinking? "
Once again, I disprove your childish claim that I never bring facts, when the truth is exactly 180 degrees from how you try to portray. Which makes since, seeing how you Brits even drive on the wrong side of the road.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Shame one me for not taking the trouble to post this before, as I honestly didn't think Citizen would be so daft and loose w/ the facts as to try to misrepreseont what I was talking about. On the issue of Rummy being a SOB, I pointed out that he's not the most accomodating guy, to which Citizen make the inane reply below :
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CITIZEN: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 15:51
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The dude definatly had his view on how things should be run, and damn anyone who asks him to explain it to them.
What a marvelous example of a man working within a democratic government.
I noted that the USA is a representitive republic, then I followed up by replying " Soldiers don't vote" , clearly meaning they don't vote on who gets to be SecDef. That position is appointed by the President, as member of his Cabinet. I THOUGHT that was understood, as we were talking SPECIFICALLY about Rumsfeld. And anyone who knows anything about military life in general understands that it is NOT a 'democratic' organization. A solider gets told to jump, they jump! There's no discussion on the matter. Soliders DO vote here in the USA, of course , in Primary and General elections. They vote for Commander in Chief, aka The President, just like everyone else. ( But unlike anyone else, if they happen to come from Florida, Dem lawyers might try to get a soldiers vote tossed out, especially in a recount
) i'm sure that clears up any confusion. Even for Citizen.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:*YAWN* Isn't it time for you to call me, oh you already did, way to take the moral high ground kid.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, your reply is that I " know nothing about anything "? How old are you, 8 ? Guess I can expect a " I KNOW YOU, BUT WHAT AM I " retort from you next. Pathetic.
Funny, you get the accusation of 'being an 8 year old' in first, and you think that makes you correct? One of the problems of have an 8 IQ I suppose.
Quote:Translation: "Citizen has it dead right, shit, how do I spin my way out of it? I know tactic #1 #2 and #3 from the T.W.A.T.S. (Tossers, Wankers, Arseholes, Tactics and Strategy) Handbook should come in handy here, I'll lie, attack with a baseless ad hominem, lie and then feign ignorance of facts right in front of my face". My my, what a good T.W.A.T. you are.
translation: Raptor's correct, and I can't offer up a coherent excuse for saying what I did or muster up enough backbone to acknowledge his point. So I'll offer up a inane, glib response instead, and move on to something else.
Quote:You've been proven wrong time and time again, so you are absolutely right, it is moot
I'll skip over the nonsense of the 2000 election, as there's never been any evidence to support it being stolen. And since the burden of proof lies upon the ones making that assertion, it's a moot issue.
.Quote:I see, so the only valid and proper interpretation of Rush's words are the one's made by his dedicated apologisers. It is sweet though, seeing so many people sharing something so openly. So AU which on of you has the brain cell this week?
So, you've not listened to his show. Understandable, being you're across the pond. Oh sure, you've heard bits and pieces, selectively chosen small audio clips, or filtered comments of what he's said. Of course, you went in with a biased view of what he was like, so your opinion was slanted from the get go.
Quote:Not really, but a very grown up insult there, "you brits drive on the wrong side of the road nah nah nah".
Once again, I disprove your childish claim that I never bring facts, when the truth is exactly 180 degrees from how you try to portray. Which makes since, seeing how you Brits even drive on the wrong side of the road.
What's for you're next trick, telling me that we have a stupid poopy flag? Or that you're gang members are more violent than our gang members? Our president could have your PM in a fight? Go on, embarrass yourself further.
Hey informal poll: Whose the only person stupid enough to think AURaptor brings anything but hot air and brainless insults to a discussion?
My Votes for AU, any other takers?
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