Rummy is OUT!
POSTED BY: Eric
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 16:41
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The SecDef, a CIVILIAN, is in charge of the military. Soldiers don't vote. They're SOLIDERS.
Let me just point out what I (as a non debater, ask me a political question you'll get an answer, but not a debate) read from this.
Soldiers don't vote i.e. when the call comes down to Sarge that the General wants to take that hill Sarge may be thinking the moron has no clue what he's asking but he doesn't ask the Privates to vote on what to do. My understanding having never been in the military is that its not a democracy.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Soldiers aren't people with the same rights to vote?
I guess I don't understand the jump to this conclusion.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Funny, you drag Kerry through the mud for saying soldiers are stupid, then say they are less than other people, less deserving of an opinion, less deserving of the vote.
I just find this amusing as it seems the same leap in logic as republicans made last week was just made here, then mentioned as a retort.
Zepran, long time lurker
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Originally posted by Zepran:Quote:Soldiers don't vote i.e. when the call comes down to Sarge that the General wants to take that hill Sarge may be thinking the moron has no clue what he's asking but he doesn't ask the Privates to vote on what to do. My understanding having never been in the military is that its not a democracy.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
The SecDef, a CIVILIAN, is in charge of the military. Soldiers don't vote. They're SOLIDERS.
While I am (at this time) unable to read AURaptor's mind, I believe that you have more accurately comprehended the gist of AURaptor's statement.
I initially thought he may've been referring to electorial voting, as well, until I realized that AURaptor isn't a doofus, and knows very well that soldiers do indeed vote electorially. Therefore, eliminating that possibility, I surmized that he obviously must've meant "voting" as related to their military assignments/orders which they receive through their chain of command (as you aptly stated above).
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Quote:I took his comments at face value, you and Cartoon did not. Cartoon especially read the same thing then reinterprets it because it casts a shadow on to his side of the debate. We're talking about people being democratically elected to positions, and AURaptor says soldiers don't vote. Not only is it what he said on face value, but it's the only logical conclusion of his words intent within the context they were written.
Originally posted by Zepran:
Let me just point out what I (as a non debater, ask me a political question you'll get an answer, but not a debate) read from this.
Soldiers don't vote i.e. when the call comes down to Sarge that the General wants to take that hill Sarge may be thinking the moron has no clue what he's asking but he doesn't ask the Privates to vote on what to do. My understanding having never been in the military is that its not a democracy.
Notice that everyone, save yourself, came to the same conclusion, even if in some cases they had to spin the words because that conclusion reflected badly on their argument.
And just so's we're clear I never defended Kerry, I said he was an idiot for his statements. I also said all the die hard Republican lovers were hypocrites for attacking Kerry there and defending Rush when he does something equally stupid and far more viscious. I'm calling AURaptor a hypocrite for willfully denigrating soldiers when he was calling for Kerry's blood just last week. An extremely persistant position.
If the end result of those words makes AURaptor a doofus, well it's not the stupidiest thing he's ever said, and the last interpretation I'd trust is that of a violent religious fanactic, eh Cartoon.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Rummy is OUT!
... of the closet ???? 
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What are you trying to imply here? Soldiers are lower life forms that don't know how to choose a politician? I may not know the situation in America, but in Canada our soldiers vote the same as everyone else (even when deployed). They, we, are citizens and compatriots just the same as civilians (if not more so as we put our lives on the line for our country and often give it)
Soldiers don't vote for the SecDef. As I explained, the PRESIDENT appoints a SecDef, who then serves as long as the President sees fit. The point I thought was clear is that the rest of the armed services has no say in the matter. Soliders don't get to VOTE on who they want as SecDef. As citizens, they DO get to vote, and a vast majority in the military vote conservative. But that's for another thread.
How does that message get lost ?
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" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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citizen - How is it that your life sucks so much that you must go so far out of your way to engage yourself into a discussion of which you have no CLUE of what you're talking about?
The soldiers don't get to vote on who they want as SecDef. That's what I said, in context, as the discussion was about Rumsfeld. That's not me commenting on their standing in society, that's a FACT. I never said they'e lesser citizens, or too stupid TO vote for POLITICAL leaders, just as anyone else does. I'd clearly understood they vote! That you'd sit there and contort my words to mean anything remotely close to that shows what a sad, miserable pin head you really are.
I see you don't offer any evidence to refute my statement about the 2000 election, (because there is none ) , you just toss on another insult. The holocaust happened. The 2000 election wasn't sotlen. No comparison of the two.
Try the words and pictures version next time. This should be entertaining.
Democrats do "cry wolf" all the time, and it's shameful. I trust you know the story?
I bet you've never heard Rush Limbaugh,certainly not beyond a few soundbites, so for you to offer any opinion on what he says is laughable. He's been doing his radio show for 19 years now. Has written 2 books. There is absolutely no 'hate mongering' involved. Critics who can't reply to his positions pull the 'hate monger' card when they've got nothing intelligent left to say. Like you.
There was no dictatorship. W and the GOP were duely elected to their office just as the Dems were on Tuesday.( Note: they got more votes in 2004 than in 2000. Funny,huh? ) In antoher 2 years, we'll have another election. Some will keep their office, others won't. The wheel keeps turning. Fact is, many conservatives weren't happy with W either, so any claims of 'dictatorship' are even more ridiculous than you know. We weren't getting what we wanted WITH W in the W.H. and a GOP controled Congress. But you don't live here, and can only surmise about our politics from across the pond. Classic.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:My life don't suck, I comment on things I do know about by and large. One wonders why you ever bother to comment given the above criteria, being that you know nothing about anything as post after post eloquently shows.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
citizen - How is it that your life sucks so much that you must go so far out of your way to engage yourself into a discussion of which you have no CLUE of what you're talking about?
Quote:Okay Kerry. I mean AURaptor.
The soldiers don't get to vote on who they want as SecDef. That's what I said, in context, as the discussion was about Rumsfeld. That's not me commenting on their standing in society, that's a FACT. I never said they'e lesser citizens, or too stupid TO vote for POLITICAL leaders, just as anyone else does. I'd clearly understood they vote! That you'd sit there and contort my words to mean anything remotely close to that shows what a sad, miserable pin head you really are.
Quote:You haven't supplied any evidence, for anything, ever. But this is a thread about something else, the election stealing issue has been discussed verbatim my backwards little friend, it is none of my concern if you are unable to remember what happened a few weeks ago. As for Insults, I reply to people in the manner they speak to me, I suppose Pinhead is a compliment huh? There's no high ground for you to take I'm afraid.
I see you don't offer any evidence to refute my statement about the 2000 election, (because there is none ) , you just toss on another insult. The holocaust happened. The 2000 election wasn't sotlen. No comparison of the two.
Try the words and pictures version next time. This should be entertaining.
Quote:I've said a great many intelligent things in my time, unlike you. Though like all humans I can screw up, and I recognise that, unlike you. Rush Limbaugh's major plus point is he has a group of happy little minions (like you) to do his bidding, he spews hate, and you say "it's not hate it's fact, he can't help it if it's them that ARE the problem, the man's just telling it like it is". A marvellous position to be in, with a group of people with no power of independent thought to spin your words if you get caught out.
I bet you've never heard Rush Limbaugh,certainly not beyond a few soundbites, so for you to offer any opinion on what he says is laughable. He's been doing his radio show for 19 years now. Has written 2 books. There is absolutely no 'hate mongering' involved. Critics who can't reply to his positions pull the 'hate monger' card when they've got nothing intelligent left to say. Like you.
And actually I have heard a great deal of what he's said, been through his site you see, seems your typical extreme right wing talk show host to me, going on and on about how it's 'their fault'...
Quote:So you'll stop commenting on anything that happens outside US borders yes? Otherwise you'll just be a gross hypocrite. Fact is I get a hell of a lot of information about the US, from the media, and friends who live there (you know friends, people who like you despite your foibles, maybe you don't get that concept, I understand) a great deal more information to go on than you have for just about anything you comment on.
But you don't live here, and can only surmise about our politics from across the pond. Classic.
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Democrats do "cry wolf" all the time, and it's shameful. I trust you know the story?
We do? I can honestly say that I have never cried Wolf. I mean really, why would I? I don't have one.
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There was no dictatorship. W and the GOP were duely elected to their office just as the Dems were on Tuesday.(
One can be elected and still become a Dictator. When ol' G.W. stated that he was THE DECIDER, that sounded pretty dictatorish to me. If I remember correctly, WE the People of the US are THE DECIDERS and the President works for us
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FMF, that's old news. The one-time "decider" who decided that Rumsfeld must stay on, has become the "mind-changer" and the "I-couldn't-tell-you-that-Rummy-was-resigning-right-before-an-election-so-I-lied-er."
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Originally posted by citizen:
Notice that everyone, save yourself, came to the same conclusion
Actually I don't notice that, I notice that the few people that commented on it came to that conclusion. I commented that I was confused how they came to that conclusion.
This morning I asked the 5 people I work with what they thought of the phrase "soldiers don't vote" (obviously taken out of context since I just supplied that phrase) and all of them came to the same conclusion I did. Maybe I just separated it from the rest of the text when I read it but I never once thought AURaptor was stating they didn't get a vote/were lesser citizens in any way. /shrug
Also I didn't say anything about defending Kerry I just said I found it amusing he came up as to me it was a similar situation of taking the words at "face value".
I hope that doesn't come across as an argument as I really don't mean it to, I'm just trying to clarify my comment from yesterday.
Reading AURaptor's own clarification post it seems I was wrong too...
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