Why Wash is 100% alive and mostly well.
POSTED BY: pastorbadger
UPDATED: Thursday, November 22, 2007 09:57
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Last Renaissance festival I went to I had fried greenFaerie on a stick....dang tasty
Z
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Now here's an interesting little discovery I just made...every time I refresh the window, the "times read" counter advances 1. Now, assuming that the counter doesn't periodically reset, that means that since the first post in this thread, the page has been reloaded 6866 times. Since I for one have visited the thread multiple times (including posting a few times), that would imply that the thread has been viewed by far less than 6866 viewers (guest status has the same effect). I would gather from this that the implication is that the vast majority of accounts here are no longer active.
Now, of course, this all hinges on my assumption that the viewer counter isn't periodically reset. Can anyone set me straight?
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I think it's pretty clear from the way Zoe says that Wash aint coming, that he's dead. Sure, Zoe wouldn't be aware of all the stuff you're talking about, but from the standpoint of the script that was the Joss Whedon telling us, "Yes, Wash did just die."
And in the commentary Joss refers to Wash as dying, not as seeming to die, or appears to die. Joss killed off Wash at the that point to make you go, "Are they going to make it through this? Is it possible that they might all die." Seeing that he was willing to kill a major character like that and especially in that fashion makes you a whole lot more worried about the other characters.
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You know what I think is interesting....?
Lets suppose that in the film Wash did get saved and he was alive and well (if injured!) at the end of the film.
Would anyone be debating the fact that he should be dead????? I don't think so - all these people who say that he must be dead, probably wouldn't be saying it if he wasn't dead, if you get what I mean?
Not sure of the relevance of this, but thought it was interesting!
I am a huge Wash fan and am gutted to find out he is dead (only found Firefly/Serenity a couple of weeks ago!) but can't see how it will fit into the story if he isn't dead. Although I am hoping and praying that he isn't, coz he is so gorgeous!!
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LLA,
One thing that I am sure of is that when the "Joss verse" returns (and it will)there are going to be some disapointed ppl one way or another.
What has me leaning toward Wash coming back to Serenity? Lets say that the BDS would have been allowed to continue at least another season. Would the writters have written him out two or three shows past the OIS eps? I think not. I think that Wash would have remained alive and healthy the full season then another if there had been one.For the BDM Joss needed a story with some bite. Some punch power. Seemingly killing off a couple of main characters would give the story just that.
My wife and I having seen Serenity first, then only as a rented dvd, well Wash's death was sad, but it wasn't a big deal. After that, renting the entire FF series from NetFlix and really enjoying the characters,well Wash's death does become a big deal.Book's too. How could Joss do that to the fans? Doesn't he like us? My thinking is that he already had some sort of planned story for Wash post BDM. It may only be in flashbacks,who's to say but Joss. I feel that Book's story will come out too. The verse is incomplete. There has been no closure and ppl want to know. They Have to know.
Z
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Yeah I agree, I only saw a couple of the episodes and then watched the film, then started watching the series from the beginning, and Wash's death in the film was a shock, but I got to being a fan through the series.
I'm sure I read something that said that the film took things to where Joss wanted them to be by the end of season 2....so perhaps he would have been killed off eventually, but not as quickly as in the film. Hey, I don't care if he is dead in the film, if only they brought the series back, from where the last episode finished. But having read a lot of these posts, it would appear that even if a series 2 appears, it would be after the film events......such a shame!
But he's bound to appear in flashbacks and things, and I expect that it will be really funny! I also agree with someone else on this discussion, about how Zoe will be after his death - thats what was interesting about her - the solider woman, and the wife...
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Okay, first off: long-time lurker, first-time poster (apart from a fanfic ages ago, about a card game). Couldn't remember/find that old log-in and such, so I created a new one.
Secondly, yes, I read the entire gorram thread.
My take on Wash being alive or dead...? Both camps have heaps o' logic and fact on their side. And that matters how much? Exactly none.
If (and yes, there's a whole lot of "if" coming off this post) there is a continuation in whatever form of the 'Verse, Wash's survival or non-survival may just be decided by someone outside the discussion -- including, to a point, Joss.
If some producer/exec/high-muckety-muck says, "Sure, we'll bankroll a new movie/series/puppet show, but only if you can bring in the whole original cast..." then my money is on Joss bringing Wash right back.
Luckily, Joss being the genius he is, I actually have some faith that he'll do it well (even though I do have some reservations on how he's done similar things in the past).
Just my two-tenths of a Platinum.
Let the flaming begin...
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I agree that Joss had it planned all along. Firefly, as good as it was, was all about the crisis of the week. Dreams and flashbacks of former crewmates/spouses gives the core characters more depth and allows for all manner of story hooks to be inserted at any time, under any circumstances.
I think that is the significance of Wash and Bok's deaths.
I suspect that the Jayne character will be the next casualty. The character does not have to die but will leave the crew of Serenity before too long, I suspect. There has always been a lot of tension between the Captain and Jayne and now that River is in a much more prominent position on the ship, I'm thinking Jayne will not be on board much longer.
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Quote:
Coming back from the dead is stock and trade in science fiction. I'm hard pressed to remember a 'verse where it hasn't happened. Someone help me out. Can you think of any?"
Depends on if you're excluding sci fi literature (which i personally get much geekier over than TV; it's almost always much better quality storytelling). Orson Scott Card's "Ender's Game" 'verse jumps to mind as a particularly good example of "dead is dead and no gettin' around it." OSC is a genius storyteller who, like Joss, understands that the most powerful sci fi doesn't use conveniently "futuristic" plot devises to let characters (or audience) escape the painful reality of the story. One of the things that is so ruttin' brilliant about this 'verse is that the crew have to face consequences and hard choices with no one but each other; that's why I love them so much - because their life is so much like my life, only with spaceships - no dear and fluffy Lord to save them when what happens isn't to their liking.
Sorry for the rant. I get really wound up about the "socio-political relavence" of sci fi... yes, i'm a geek.
Q
The wheel never stops turning...
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OK, OK, I give. In truth, I want Wash back as much as anyone. So, here is how I see he comes back...
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