Rummy is OUT!
POSTED BY: Eric
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 16:41
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Quote:Statistics, not reality, run your world.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Great economy, 4.4% unemployment, low interest rates, most home ownership in nation's history,... Yeah, the country's really being run into the ground.You toss around charges like 'war criminals' with such reckless disregard, , the term loses all meaning.
Just look around you- oh, I'm sorry; you can't. You're removed from the humanity.
And real criminals that get peeps KILLED are your heroes.
Someday you're gonna need help. Ya gotta oil the springs that pop that little bird outta your head at the top of every hour.
What a whiner. Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Hero:
Shame about the election. Pelosi said today the Democrats plan is a withdrawl from Iraq by the end of the year
She has also already said that she wants to raise taxes on the "rich". (Translation for liberals: What a democrat means when they say "rich" is anyone who works for their paycheck.)
Our beloved, Democratic governor raised taxes in his first term (and was just re-elected yesterday -- I guess it only goes to show that the people of Pennsylvania don't feel like they're giving enough of their money to the government, and want to give more). I'm the poorest person I personally know (I'm a schoolbus driver who barely made 10K last year -- and, that's with no benefits).
Before Rendell was elected governor of PA, I was actually getting nearly all of my state income tax money back every year (tax forgiveness for people under a certain income). When Rendell first became governor, my taxes went up -- way up. Apparently, people who barely make 10K are "rich" by Democratic standards. I can't believe bozos actually voted for this guy again.
Thankfully, Bush has a veto, and I hope he plans to use it quite a bit over the next two years.
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What a whiner. Chrisisall
Pack of whiners would be more appropriate.
Never liked Rummy, his involvement in previous screwery via flu scares and deaths resulted in some ugliness before and his involvement with Tamiflu given the history (look it up, if ya don't believe me) is downright disturbing.
He's a wicked, evil man, and unlike the rest of the neocon slime he's a SMART one, and that makes him dangerous.
I'll be glad to see the back of him, even if I would rather see him swinging from the end of a rope.
-Frem
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Quote:I hope so too. That way, it'll be at least 20 years b4 Republicans ever take the WH. I hope he vetoes an increase in the minimum wage the very first thing. The next thing I hope he vetoes is reducing the Medicare pharma bill by having the Feds negotiate prices. The thrid thing I hope he vetoes is implementing the 9-11 Comission recommendations.
Thankfully, Bush has a veto, and I hope he plans to use it quite a bit over the next two years.
And it just gets better from there. I really hope Bush "stays the course".
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Cartoon: you're a self-hating working-poor person w/ a confused identity. You need higher pay AND benefits. Come to the light....
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Hey - I'm surely enjoying the discussion - this is a place where people can hold VERY different viewpoints and we're still all Browncoats. Shiny! While I tend toward liberal anarchist sometimes libertarian views I hate to be stuck in a category.
I remember hearing a story about a young Rumsfeld and Richard Nixon. Nixon told him "whatever you do stay out of the Middle East." I don't recall the exact words but he went on to say something like "It's a quagmire that will ruin you." Who would have thought Tricky Dicky was a prophet?
Now I am not a fan of George Bush, I like Cheney even less nor is Rummy my man. Still, he did his job as he saw it and I think he and the rest consider themselves patriots and on the right path. I was one of those who thought we should never have gone into Iraq. I had mixed feelings about Afghanistan but see the logic for that. In my humble opinion Bush, etal were arrogant, didn't plan well nor consider the consequences of their actions. I think they believed they were right and right would prevail.
Now as to the Robert Gates - he's been around quite a while - since Jimmie Carter. He is considered "moderate" whatever that means today. I think he's fairly well respected and will listen to other options than simply "stay the course." What the hell does that mean anyway? I have some hope.
Perhaps a Republican Pres and Democratic majority with a few independent thrown in can actually come up with some creative and useful ideas. They might (and I stress might) be able to roll up their sleeves and actually get some things done. People are sick of the bickering. It has happened to both parties - it's the old "throw the bums out" mentality and it just might get their attention.
I don't get these guys who kidnap people, terrorize them and cut their heads off. As Jayne said about the Reavers - "Where's the fun in that?" Still in a crazy way it works for them. It has been working for those people who feel the world doesn't listen to them. It gets attention and it gets results of a sort. It worked for the IRA and it worked in South America and it is working in the Middle East.
We can't win against the terrorists. We have to change our policy. I'm not suggesting pulling out but I'm sure sick to death of our young soldiers getting knocked off, killed and wounded, not to mention all the Iraqis that have died. It's easy for someone to sit in a protected environment and say we need to "stay the course" but that doesn't bring back those young people who are giving their blood.
Even when we set up elections or support free elections, if the people choose someone we don't like we refuse to work with them. That's a risk you take with free elections.
As far as how good things are in the US - well yeah, there are some positive numbers. But I'm here to tell you I work with the rural poor - people who suffer mental illness, who have few resources, who have to choose between food and utilities, and have had their Medicaid cut. One guy who had been living independently had his Medicaid cut, lost assistance for his medication so he had to move into an assisted living facility in order to survive. Unemployment is still a major problem in many parts of this county. It's ain't all gravy for the lower middle class and poor.
"Where's the fun in that?
Siri
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:You mean he's politically bulemic?
Originally posted by SignyM:
He regurgitates anything and everything that Rushed Limbo feeds him.
Chrisisall
LOL
I think the correct term is deliberately obtuse.
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On the whole Rummy front. He's not an enemy of the people. I'm not even sure this bungle was his fault. But he did fail to demand what he needed to fight this war, and when you fail to ask, or fail to get what you ask, you have to delay the plan until you can get that straightened out. Rummy's main failing was on the armor front. I don't think he was a member of the pro-torture brigade, as witness his willingness to put his own head on the block went it all spilled. It wreaked of "I told them this was going to come out"
I there will be a change of direction. Not because of Rummy's ousting as much as the change in teh shadowmen. the podman has switched colors, and that means the team will have to think blue.
But we're moving up the ranks. I think Cheney is possibly next to go. I expect his resignation at some point next year, to be replaced with Condi Rice.
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Auraptor:
Didn't top "neocon" Ricahrd Perle recently come out and voice oppositon to Bush's handling of the war in Iraq?
I'm curious as to your take on that. I'm not a neocon, so I'd probably see it differently. Does Perle have a point, is he a turncoat, just saving his own ass, what's your opinion?
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Cartoon:
What a democrat means when they say "rich" is anyone who works for their paycheck.
LOL. So true. I'm trying not to be too anti-dem atm, because they're the govt of the US now, and I should wait until they screw up, but this was priceless.
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Thankfully, Bush has a veto, and I hope he plans to use it quite a bit over the next two years.
THe thought hadn't occurred to me that the dem congress would try to write laws. I don't think they will. I think they'll try to stunt the Bush agenda. If they try over-ruling him, there's going to be some chaos. They should probably fiddle until they get a dem prez in '08, which is looking pretty certain now. I they got building legislation, particularly tax or spending bills, they could very well kill those seemingly locked in '08 chances.
People underestimate the value of nothing. A govt. that does nothing is actually doing quite well. If the dems want to accomplish something, they should work at repealing some of the radical Bush items like the patriot act, homeland security. They shouldn't aim to kill the tax cuts, because that's essentially raising taxes, something to be saved for a president's second term, not before you get a president.
I suspect Barrack Obama is on the hill at this moment saying something very similar.
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Was visiting my old college today when I heard the news. A woman was talking to someone on the phone and then announced it in the middle of the Student Union. Everyone started cheering and applauding, it was great. Now if only he would take Bush and Cheney with him... Still all in all a great day. Rummy's gone and Democrats took the election. The world gets a little brighter.
Wash: This landing is gonna get pretty interesting
Mal: Define "interesting".
Wash: Oh God, of God, we're all going to die?
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