'You see, Vera? You dress yourself up...'
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Another possability to take into consideration is that Vera fired a type of caseless ammunition that had an electric or chemical firing mechanism. As there is no shell or case to enclose the projectile, there would need to be ambient oxygen in order for there to be a spark.
Granted Joss already said they were misinformed, but as I don't ever remember seeing a shell casing discharged from Vera, I'm personally going to accept this as the answer.
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EDIT: In regards to jaynewannabe's post, it's correct that smaller ammo is not meant to exit. The French have a handgun called the FiveseveN that has 5.7 mm rounds (hence the name) that are so small, they're meant to tumble inside the victim, creating an irregularly shaped wound. Point of interest, the FN is what is used in BSG (post season 1) as the standard sidearm.
Some ammo is also designed to fragment on impact or mushroom, as you may have heard of hollow points. These are against the Geneva Convention for military use (but then again the US military still uses white phosphorus last I heard, so...).
The M-16 (AR-15 for civilian use) uses 5.56mm rounds that are meant to tumble as well.
As far as the US Military using white phosphorus for ammunition, you are right and wrong. All UN Countries that follow the Geneva Conventions are allowed to use Tracer rounds at a rate of one every 3rd or 4th round. Tracer rounds contain either white phosphorus or magnesium phospate to make them glow. Using them is not against the Geneva Conventions.
As far as incendiary grenades go, there are 3 that the US military uses currently. There is the M1 which has several classifications, they are: AW, GA, IM, NP, and Alcohol-Gasoline. AW is phosphorus mixed with a rubber-gasoline solution that allows the compound to stick better to surfaces while burning. GA is either liquid or solidified ("jellied") gasoline. IM is a thickened incendiary mixture, and NP is a Napalm filler. Alcohol-Gasoline is relatively self-explanatory. The AW used no fuze, but the Alcohol-Gasoline mixture used the M1 igniter, the GA used the M2 igniter, and the IM and NP both used the M3 igniter. AW is not used as commonly as the others, but it's phosphorus content is not againts Geneva Convention standing.
There is the M14 (also written AN/M14) is a thermite grenade that is used for destroying COMSEC, equipment, and vehicles to prevent them from falling into enemy hands. Because of the controlled nature of the Termite's burn, these grenates are rarely used as weapons.
Then there's the Model 308-1 Napalm grenade. This was designed by the Special Operations Branch of the Naval Weapons Center at China Lake California, the 308-1 Napalm was in direct response to SEAL requirements for a more offensive incendiary device over the M14. Issued as a kit, the user would take the included powdered Napalm ("M1 Thickener") and then fill the grenade with gasoline to produce a complete incendiary device.
Now my brain hurts from all this typing. Nappy time.
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Originally posted by babywiththepower:
Another possability to take into consideration is that Vera fired a type of caseless ammunition
You can see Jayne load Vera a couple of times, I think, maybe in the Pilot and Heart of Gold, as well as OMR. The rounds look like big shotgun slug rounds with sharp diamond shaped points, real ugly, nasty projectiles.
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For my sins I am ex-military and currently work as a weapons subject matter expert for the UK government.
Jpstargazer's post is absolutely right, assuming that Vera works in the same way as current small arms and is not an electromagnetic gun or some other more advanced system.
Most modern military rifle rounds (such as the M4, M16, SA80) have a smaller calibre round of 5.56mm which exit the barrel at nominally 900m/s which can tumble on impact.
Pistol rounds are ususally fatter and squatter than rifle rounds and travel much slower and hence dissipate more energy on impact than the sleaker rifle rounds and hence dont penetrate as far through the body.
The Belgian FN round of 5.7 is used from the P90 (the gun seen in Stargate SG1) and is designed as a personal defence weapon which once again is slower than the standard military rifles.
I hope this helps.
Either way Jayne is still an excellent shot!
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I think JPSTARGAZER is spot on. Jayne's statement actually makes sense, even if firing from space would not have been absolutely impossible, it would not have been advisable.
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