Irritation for anyone who is doing/has done blueprints!

POSTED BY: Static
UPDATED: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 03:26
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EBONEZER

Monday, February 9, 2004 6:56 AM

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Originally posted by Steve580:

I doubt it's some futuristic people cleaning machine. Strange as this sounds, it would seem too futuristic for their interplanetary space ship.
-Steve

Something that would seem futuristic to us might not seem so futuristic to them, remember the laziter thing in trash? It was old news to them, but to us that's advanced technology. So it's possible that they have some sort of outdated (to them anyway) furutistic people cleaner.

Or maybe in the future people just don't smell.

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JASONZZZ

Monday, February 9, 2004 6:57 AM

LOL, reminds me of that episode of "Seinfeld" where Kramer cooks a complete meal while he is showering.

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Originally posted by ebonezer:
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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

There some research going on about sonic showers.
It actually works well with cleansing off components, but not sure how that works with tissues.

That could very well be the answer to our laundry question... May be it cleans people AND laundry (and maybe even does the dishes...) all in one fell swoop. That would be a good space saver on a spaceship.

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NOOCYTE

Monday, February 9, 2004 7:23 AM

Oh, Static. A most rascally can of worms you've opened and no mistake!

Now, I'm not going by any deck plans, but only by memory and ergonomic deductions (i.e., talking out of my azz), buuuuut...

I'd say that it makes sense to have the laundry facilities as close to the crew quarters as possible (there may not always be passengers in the dorms, but SOMEbody's gotta fly the thing ["Oh, right. That'd be me."] ). Also, it would make sense to have any putative clothing cleaning machinery in a location which could efficiently hook into the "gray water" (i.e., clean enough for rock and roll, but not for drinking) stream in the recycling system.

So, my vote would be for a location in the galley area (perhaps round one of those bends). Space is not so much an issue, since the commodes show a design philosophy involving hide-away, Murphy-bed-like arrangements (for all we know, laundry machines could be stored in that roomy dome space above the galley, which we never see, and lowered to floor level when needed). Also, the plumbing could link up with dish-washing drainage (a process which might involve hooking up leaky valve heads [say, to ports in the floor], making it even more of a chore).

As for Inara's sponge bath: apart from being eye candy (which it surely was...even though Morena's such a plain woman...homely, even), it might simply reflect Inara's private nature. A shuttle need not necessarioy have a shower (let alone laundry), and she might limit her trips to the common washroom outside the passenger dorm (especially with Jayne about!).

Just my $.02. I've tried to keep the wankage to a minimum.

And, of course, the movie could have a taut dramatic subplot involving a malf in the laundry equipment...ripe with tension, you might say...

Keep scrubbing!

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MOMAW

Monday, February 9, 2004 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
Oh no! It's a video of an AC-130 spectre. This thing carries a 105mm howitzer, a 40mm cannon

The 40mm must have a very good rate of fire, then? That would explain why it looks like lots of shells landing in a short period of time? Several times there's a BOOOM, then boom-boom-boom.

If they're trying to mop up guys on the ground though: wouln't it be a little more precise, and a lot cheaper, to use the gatlings...

(Momaw's only military experience is via PC gaming, and they don't get very much into why's and wherefore's, therefore he begs forgiveness for stupid questions)

STATIC

Monday, February 9, 2004 4:29 PM

The 40mm cannon on the AC-130 fires at a rate of 500 rounds per minute. It utilizes the same sort of Infrared targeting as the Apache helicopter as well as the same 'line of sight' targeting system, whereas, the weapons system tracks with the movement of the gunner's head, so all he has to do is 'look' at the target.

You're right, Mo. . .the gatling guns have the ability to be a little more precise, but the trade off is that they go through ammunition MUCH faster. The vulcan cannons are pretty much good for one, maybe two trigger pulls. The 40mm, and 105mm cannons fire explosive shells, so they serve as an 'area weapons system'. . .you don't have to hit the target. . .just get within about 10 meters of it.

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WERESPAZ

Monday, February 9, 2004 6:31 PM

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Now, I'm not going by any deck plans, but only by memory and ergonomic deductions (i.e., talking out of my azz), buuuuut..

I'm gonna do the same here, but put in my $0.02US. First of all, I imagine everythings set up something like a space-winnebago (spinnebago), something kinda spaceballs. Now, I don't own an RV (meybe somebody here does) but I think I may have been on one once, maybe it was a camper, okay I was camping. But they make 'em so you can shower, shave and sh-(ahem) releive yourself all in the same two square feet. It can be reasonably deduced that they use water for all that stuff, if it was some space shower (spower) then why would Book need a towel? To get to my point, they could have a small washer/dryer unit that occupies a total of less than eight cubic feet, a two-in-one kinda dealy thingy. Anyway, there would be more than enough room for one of those in that "shower area" Book emerges from in OiS. All these things are probably rigged for mega water conservation (i.e. routing shower water to flush the toilets, etc), and they probably have some sort of water recycling thing on the ship, but still have to pick up some water when they fuel up at one of those "fueling-stations" they mention in the pilot.
Okay, now I'm done talking out me arse. Back to discussions on guns (which I find entertaining and informative, thanks Discovery Channel!)

-The SpAz

(edited to add: This would probably be located near the passenger quarters as passengers are probably not permitted in or around the crew quarters area, though it could also be near the galley, but mostly people try and keep dirty laundry away from their food).

HANS

Monday, February 9, 2004 6:52 PM

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Originally posted by Fortunatus:
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And that leads me to the biggest problems I've encountered in the effort. Serenity's exterior doesn't match her interior.
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Woohoo!

I think I found a solution (for at least some of the problems)!

I was trying for a while to design accurate blueprints, and always came up against the various problems you mentioned. I realised that I could only be faithful to the interior design if I ignored the exterior design...a not very satisfactory solution, and one that caused me to push the blueprints aside. I tried a little 3d modelling, but wasn't having much success.

One solution that I had thought about (and others had mentioned) involved having the forward corridor angled up a bit. It solves several of the problems with lining up the bridge, but it was just too unsatisfactory: there are too many shots of the interior where it is clear that the floor is not angled for me to pretend it was.

Then it hit me: why not put the entire level at an angle?

When we look at the side view of the ship, we assume that the angle of the floor is parallel to the horizontal. It just seems to makes sense. But this is a spaceship, not an office tower. Artificial gravity means that we don't need to worry about lining up the floor with the horizontal.

I found that if we place the entire upper floor at a 2 degree angle from the horizontal (with the high side at the bridge and the low side in the engine room), many problems are solved:

1. The bridge now lines up with the forward hallway in a more satisfactory way.

2. There is now space for a small room under the bridge at the bottom of the stairs (most schematics I tried did not leave enough space for this room).

3. The engine room is now lower down inside the core of the rear section.

(One assumes that the artificial gravity is also calibrated at a 2 degree angle, so that someone standing inside the ship feels like they are on a flat surface.)

Now, looking at the exterior view and the placement of the galley windows, one can see that the angle of the floor can't be too far off the horizontal. Otherwise the windows are in the wrong place. But 2 degrees is not excessive, and for the most part is not a noticeable angle.

The question comes up about the lower floor. Is it also 2 degrees off the horizontal? If each floor has its own grav plates than there's no reason it has to be angled as well. However, if you do decide to tilt the lower floor by 2 degrees (which I chose to do, for aesthetic reasons) it does not create major problems. Like I said, 2 degrees is a barely noticable angle, even when the ship is on the ground and the front doors open.

There are other problems that this solution does not fix:

1. The shuttles are still mounted too high on the side of the ship (an almost unresolvable problem, unless you scale the ship down to a ridiculous level to make room for the galley - I prefer to believe that the shuttles in the schematic are in "launch position", and when fully docked are nestled down lower).

2. There is no room for an airlock above the forward hallway (used in Objects in Space and other episodes).

Whaddaya think?

Hans

AERRIN

Monday, February 9, 2004 7:04 PM

Just a note - many UK homes have the laundry machine in the kitchen. No reason Serenity couldn't be the same.

Although I'm personally in favor of the notion that laundry's a bit different from how /we/ do laundry. It just doesn't make sense to use that much water to clean dirty clothes in space.

Anyone know how they actually do laundry on shuttles now? Do they use water? Wear dirty clothes? Have a new outfit for every day of the journey?

FORTUNATUS

Monday, February 9, 2004 7:47 PM

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Then it hit me: why not put the entire level at an angle?

I thought of that, but I kept running into the problem of the cargo bay being directly under the galley. Then, again, it works if you ignore or explain away the shuttles as you've suggested. And, really, you almost have to, considering what they do to the height of the cargo bay.

You mention that you tip the lower floor by 2 degrees as well. Don't you find that doing so causes the passenger dorm to poke out of the bottom of the bulb?

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HANS

Monday, February 9, 2004 8:18 PM

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Originally posted by Fortunatus:

You mention that you tip the lower floor by 2 degrees as well. Don't you find that doing so causes the passenger dorm to poke out of the bottom of the bulb?

Almost. My 3d model is still a little rough, so I'm not 100% sure how well the dorm's fit in. Anyway, fitting the dorms is a problem in any schematic. If you imagine that the dorm level is the point of turning, and one achieves the 2 degree lift by raising the front of the lower level (without lowering the back level) it does kinda work. I'll post a schematic when I have one I like. :)

Hans

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