Rush Limbaugh, Michael J. Fox and Parkinson's Disease
POSTED BY: misbehaven
UPDATED: Saturday, November 18, 2006 01:39
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FellowTraveler wrote:
Tuesday, October 31, 2006 06:04
Malaria has been killing folks for 50,000 years and still kills between one and three million annually. There is still no completely effective vaccine for Malaria, despite billions spent on research. We should just give up, aye?
What we could do is spray DDT and spare the lives of millions of children. DDT never was the aweful, cancer causing agent that it's since been portrayed being by so many enviromentalist. The excessive use of it was the problem. Go back to using modest amounts of DDT, and you'll save the lives of children TODAY, not 50 yrs from now.
Quote:AIDS funding has received far more than its fair share. More people die from cancer than from AIDS. And AIDS is highly preventable, unlike cancer. Spare me the AIDS angle.
How about AIDS? It was first recognized in 1981 and to date has killed more than 25 million people. There is no cure or vaccine for AIDS, even though billions have been spent. Meh, I don't have AIDS, so why should I give a damn? Off with their funding!
Quote:And not a single embryo was used, not a single person was killed for this vaccine. Amazing!
Let's look at Polio. It was first (officially) recognized in 1840. Jonas Salk didn't test his vaccine until 1952. So, it took over 100 years to work out those bugs. I'm glad they didn't give up in 1845 because there were not yet positive results
Etc, etc...for what ever else you can offer up as 'evidence' . The facts are, REAL results are being found w/ Adult Stem Cells. You can still do your own embryonic stem cell research, if you want to waste your time. More importantly though, you can use YOUR OWN $$$. Or go to California. They allow state funds for ESC research.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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I hate Rush Limbaugh, that fat bastard! 
He's got NO CALL to be talking about people being ON or OFF medication.
Fox is dedicated to the cause of stem cell research. Saying that he's purposely supporting only Democrats is ridiculous. It's not his fault that the Dems are the ones that support stem cell research. It's my opinion that the majority of Repulican lawmakers don't support it because they're owned by the extreme Christian Right. You can't tell me that most of these educated men and women would take a look at Fox or at Christopher Reeve or any Alzheimer's or ALS victim and not want to help put an end to these awful diseases. But their hands are tied. They know who put them in office and who will keep them in office. They know WHO their DADDY'S ARE, so to speak. And they're not going to jeapordize their paychecks by allowing stem cell research. It's sad, but that's the way it is.
My mother died from ALS. My friend's mother was diagnosed with premature alzheimers at the age of 44. So, yeah, this is an emotional subject for me.
And as for Limbaugh, I firmly believe that 
ing hypocrite is gonna spend eternity in The Hot Place. 
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Originally posted by EmpireX:
I hate Rush Limbaugh, that fat bastard!
He's got NO CALL to be talking about people being ON or OFF medication.
Fox is dedicated to the cause of stem cell research. Saying that he's purposely supporting only Democrats is ridiculous. It's not his fault that the Dems are the ones that support stem cell research. It's my opinion that the majority of Repulican lawmakers don't support it because they're owned by the extreme Christian Right. You can't tell me that most of these educated men and women would take a look at Fox or at Christopher Reeve or any Alzheimer's or ALS victim and not want to help put an end to these awful diseases. But their hands are tied. They know who put them in office and who will keep them in office. They know WHO their DADDY'S ARE, so to speak. And they're not going to jeapordize their paychecks by allowing stem cell research. It's sad, but that's the way it is.
My mother died from ALS. My friend's mother was diagnosed with premature alzheimers at the age of 44. So, yeah, this is an emotional subject for me.
And as for Limbaugh, I firmly believe that
Sorry for your loss. I know how it feels. But to be flat out honest, you've not been following along. Bush and the GOP do support stem cell research. Just not FEDERAL FUNDING for NEW LINES of EMBRYONIC stem cell research. A fact I myself have made several times over in this thread. And the facts are, MJ Fox did make campaign ads FOR Democrats which were factually inaccurate or misleading. So Rush, or anyone else, has the right and damn it all the responsibility to call out those ads, regardless of who made them.
Embryonic stem cell research is not made illegal by Bush or any of the GOP.
Every significant advancement and treatment that has come from stem cells are from ADULT stem cell research. The results of Embryonic stem cells has, to date, yielded nothing but harmful side effects. No results.
Everyone wants to put an end to this disease. That is NOT the debate. But what they don't want is to fill those afflicted and their loved ones up w/ false hope.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Ass-wipe
YOU apparently haven't been following the SCIENCE. Existing cell cultures are CONTAMINATED and useless for medical purposes.
http://www.bioethics.iastate.edu/Bioethics_in_Brief/sep06.html
"Some embryonic stem cell lines are already available for federally funded research ... Unfortunately, the process used to develop these stem cell lines involved the use of mouse embryos. Consequently, all existing stem cell lines that are available for federally funded research are contaminated with mouse DNA."
I'm going to wait a few minutes for your response. If you channel the party line I think you will, I have my response ready to show you why you're wrong.
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rue - if you're going to continue to act like an immature fucking dickhead, I see no reason to carry on this discussion. Nothing I said was 'wrong'. If the lines from the Fedreally funded sources are now unusable, then tough. Raise money from the free market, or con it out of the good people of California. Meanwhile, real, useful research - from adult & umbilical cord stem cells - will carry on. 
you very much.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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You are correct, AURaptor. I haven't read every single post in this thread. My post was directed at no one in particular, certainly not you. I was simply stating my opinion on the matter and venting my extreme dislike for Mr. Limbaugh.
However, I have been following the stem cell issue, and while politicians may argue back and forth, it seems that the scientists are saying that the BEST stem cells to work with are EMBRYONIC stem cells, that they're much more viable and useful than any other stem cells.
Frankly, when you have years, not decades, to live, time is of the essence. I don't care what kind of cells they use. I say, whatever works, do it. I don't have a moral issue with scientists using a clump of unwanted cells for research purposes.
You stated:
"Every significant advancement and treatment that has come from stem cells are from ADULT stem cell research. The results of Embryonic stem cells has, to date, yielded nothing but harmful side effects. No results."
I can't refute this. I can only say that what I've heard on TV and articles I've read in Newsweek and other magazines seems to support that embryonic stem cell research shows more promise.
You also said you "know how it feels"... Do you really?
Let me tell you a little about what my mother went through. At the end of her life, she could not walk. She could not move her toes or her legs. She could not lift her arms to feed herself or brush her hair. She could not take a drink of water without asking for assistance. Imagine being trapped in your body. Having an itch and not being able to scratch it. Having to ask your twelve year old daughter to help you go to the bathroom, having to use a bed pan. The complete loss of dignity. The fear that one day, you won't able to breathe on your own, that when you want to take a breath, you won't be able to. It would be torture.
It was torture.
If you truly knew how it felt, I can't help but think you'd be singing a different tune.
On a more positive note, I'd like to share this with whoever might be reading: my mom's illness brought my family in contact with a great group of people, a national club called AMBUCS. Our local chapter built a wheel chair ramp for my mom that was both safe and in accordance with our city's codes. AMBUCS build wheelchair ramps for people of all ages and disabilities. AMBUCS also donate AMTrykes, which are fun physical therapy bikes for children and teenagers. Recently, another Illinois chapter helped build a "Boundless Playground" that children and adults of all abilities can play on. They also award scholarships to students who plan to go into the field of physical therapy. If anyone is looking to volunteer a few hours of their time every once in while, you can locate a local chapter at www.ambucs.com. It's been awesome working with these people. I can't tell you how gratifying it is to see an elderly person able to get outside of their house or see a child able to take their AmTryke for a bike ride with their siblings or parents! I encourage you guys to check it out.
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OH GOODY ! I've graduated to dickhead!
Ass-wipe, the REASON I've given you a pet name is because you constantly spout flat-out lies. And have ever since you started posting on RWE. NOTHING has changed your MO. Not facts, not logic, patience, reason, not basic humanity. WTF is up with you? Why do you always find the snarkiest position and cling to it? Esepcially when all this is making you ... well ... useless as a human being.
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Frankly, when you have years, not decades, to live, time is of the essence. I don't care what kind of cells they use. I say, whatever works, do it. I don't have a moral issue with scientists using a clump of unwanted cells for research purposes.
Point of fact, we don't know how long we have to live. My parents retired to their dream house, expecting to live out their years there. That very year, my mom was diagnosed w/ cancer. She was gone in 2 years.(I won't bother w/ the details, but I do truly know how you feel, and am still singing a different tune ) But to the point of this thread, you can't live your life hoping that science will suddenly come in and save the day. It doesn't work like that. You might as well max out your credit cards and then hope to win the lottery. You say you don't have a moral issue w/ a 'clump of cells', but many do. We all started out as a similar clump, whether you want to recognize that or not. But that's not even my personal issue. I look at what HAS worked, and what has the most promise of working, TODAY. It's not stem cells from embryos. Anyone you or I know today , young or old, should they fall sick or become injured, will be saved by treatments from adult stem cells long before anything coming from embryos. Fact is, IF anything comes from embryonic stem cells, the oddsare it'll be our grand children, or great grand children who benefits. Meanwhile, lives will be saved and made better w/ the $ spent on other, more reliable stem cell research.
Also, I never said nor did I ever take the position that ESC research should be BANNED. Far from it. I say , if the free market thinks it a wise enough venture, by all means, fund away. States could even fund ESC, as is happening in California. My issue is w/ the FEDERAL money being used , foolishly, for this endeavor, where it could be spent better elsewhere. I've said this over and over again. Politically, I am a conservative libertarian, and favor smaller, less intrusive Gov't. Many here on this board think Gov't should do everything for us, and because of that, they call me all sorts of childish names. I favor the individual, and freedom. And for that, folks like Rue feel the need to ridicule me. Which is fine.
Rue, you can continue to lie and distort the facts time and time again, as you clearly love doing. You don't agree w/ me ? Fine, but you lie about what I post, completely invert the facts to the point that you're a idiot troll on here. It's clear that you're too emotionally immature to deal w/ issues on face value, and thats why you resort to name calling. I responded in like kind, but only in retaliation. It's clear that reasoned discourse w/ you isn't going to happen, because you refuse to see reason. I'll just consider yours as 1 less reply I'll waste my time with here. Have fun, troll.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Rue, you can continue to lie and distort the facts time and time again, as you clearly love doing. You don't agree w/ me ? Fine, but you lie about what I post, completely invert the facts to the point that you're a idiot troll on here. It's clear that you're too emotionally immature to deal w/ issues on face value, and thats why you resort to name calling. I responded in like kind, but only in retaliation. It's clear that reasoned discourse w/ you isn't going to happen, because you refuse to see reason. I'll just consider yours as 1 less reply I'll waste my time with here. Have fun, troll.B]
Well said.
Except, you need to reverse it, as that's how many of us see you.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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AU
Over and over you denied, excused and justified Limpaugh's actions - spazzing in imitation of Fox. And you keep trying to present waht he did as rational, reasoned discourse. You pretend there wasn't video and that every one could SEE what Limpaugh was doing. It's actually worse reading your extended comments - they contain so much more deception that these short quotes. But here they are:
It's sad that a person's political ideology can run so deeply, that he feels justified in verbally attacking someone who's suffering from a debilitating disease just because he disagrees with the other guy's politics.
AU
That's not at all what Rush has done
In no way what so ever did Rush 'verbally attack' anyone
AU
What Rush did was correctly point out that MJ Fox DID indeed alter his medication (And that's why he was spazzing in imitation - it was just reasoned discourse, eh?)
AU
Rush responded to purely political ad (despite Fox supporting a republican ?)
... everybody who doesn't listen to Rush has it WRONG. (Rush wasn't making fun of Fox.)
Rush wasn't attacking the messenger (MJ FOX) so much as he was attacking the MESSAGE!
Rush didn't mock anyone here, and you know it.
Rush wasn't MOCKING Fox in the least.
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And then there's your constant refrain - adult stem cells work ! No links, I noticed. Nope, not even one. I happen to know you are wrong. But I'm going to give you the chance to prove yourself before I prove to everyone that you're lying again, like usual.
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