At the end of the BDM ...
POSTED BY: LittleAlbatross29
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I've heard mention of the River Tam sessions, but don't know what or where it is.CAn you provide assistance please ?
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ok I followed your link - thanks and I should have done it before posting .Silly me.
Bryce
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Would have been very interesting!
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The way I see it, They had just watched half their collegues wiped out in a space battle with reavers, then they saw a girl had just taken out a load of said reavers. the fact the didn't shoot at first sight proves they were very discaplined. you can't beat a formed line of well trained soldiers when they already have their guns aimed.
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Originally posted by embers:
I think she would have taken them and have gotten mowed down in a hail of bullets...
Unless J.W. had invited Terry Pratchett onto the scriptwriting team. In that case, on receiving the "kill" order, the soldiers would have looked nervously at one another, one would have mumbled "remember rule one!" and they would have ran away very fast.
Anybody with a grasp of narrative causality knows that if a heavily armed, presumably well trained group of soldiers take on a single individual who is apparently defenceless (or carrying an archaic weapon) they will inevitably get their asses handed to them. Especially if said individual is either (a) a wizened, oriental-looking old man or (ever since Alien) (b) an attractive but pissed-off looking woman holding a big phallic axe.
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Are you kidding? She totally destroyed a gaggle of Reavers (gaggle is the right term?), so you know she could have shredded a passel of those soft purplebellies. No problem.
No power in the verse can stop her.
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Couple thoughts here:
1) River is a reader. As proven earlier in the movie, walls or other physical impediments don't faze her (she "felt" the reavers in the heist scene). This means she already read every purplebelly's intentions and what their reaction to a kill order would be.
2) The fact that they were asking for a Kill order in the first place may have been an order implanted by River into the platoon sargeant's mind. It was obvious that the rules of engagement in the preceding battle scenes were very clear. "Somebody shoot something!"
3) Killing the purple bellies may not have been her plan had they received the order to shoot. A quick sideways flip and she's out the "reaver door" to the left of the troops.
4) The comment about her so much as twitching would have resulted in a hail of bullets, well she did twitch when she tightened her hand on the axe. As much as we want to hate the purplebellies they are still well trained infantry and would have held fire unless River made a move towards them.
Of course, all of this is moot as the point of the purplebellies pulling the wall out was to frame River with bright light for the hero shot, not end the movie with an anti-climactic "yet another fight". The scene ended perfectly.
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For the record, I don't think that River can kill anyone with her brain. I think she just used it on a scare tactic with Jayne, because he was stupid/superstitious enough to believe her.
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got to agree here, The "i Can kill you with my brain" was clearly a line she used mischevously to keep Jayne in line, also she seems to only read people when concentraiting or who have overpowering thoughts (Such as reavers) I think if she was to read everyones mind all the time she would be unable to work out what people are saying, like listening for one voice in a football stadium, iut is only possible if you really focus on them or they are very loud.
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Originally posted by mycroftxxx:
Couple thoughts here:
1) River is a reader. As proven earlier in the movie, walls or other physical impediments don't faze her (she "felt" the reavers in the heist scene). This means she already read every purplebelly's intentions and what their reaction to a kill order would be.
Which wouldn't have exactly helped her become bullet proof, now would it? It's one thing to know how they would react, and another to have viable options to actually deal with that.
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2) The fact that they were asking for a Kill order in the first place may have been an order implanted by River into the platoon sargeant's mind. It was obvious that the rules of engagement in the preceding battle scenes were very clear. "Somebody shoot something!"
River can't transmit thoughts. She can read them. Hence "reader". Her power isn't an active one and nothing has ever suggested that it is.
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3) Killing the purple bellies may not have been her plan had they received the order to shoot. A quick sideways flip and she's out the "reaver door" to the left of the troops.
True enough, but the question was whether River could have beaten them in a fight.
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4) The comment about her so much as twitching would have resulted in a hail of bullets, well she did twitch when she tightened her hand on the axe. As much as we want to hate the purplebellies they are still well trained infantry and would have held fire unless River made a move towards them.
If you'll notice, though, the soldiers' fingers did tighten on the triggers of their weapons at that very twitch. Kill order or not, a move on her part, as you say, would have resulted in a hail of fire, and while River is "conditioned for combat", she is not superhumanly fast. She would have been dead.
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Originally posted by codemonkey:
Okay, I'd like to point out that they had completely surrounded her, thus all shots fired would either hit her or hit a comrade (just pointing out the poor tactical planning shown by the Alliance). Taking just that into account, River would have been mowed down and quickly (as would probably half of the purple bellies to boot).
However, had she made the right move and fast enough she could have gained more of an advantage (e.g. getting in between one alliance soldier and the rest, using him as a shield and perhaps disarming him). From there it would be possible for River to survive (though unlikely) and the Alliance troopers would have taken more casualities for certain.
Are you certain that they had her surrounded in a circle?
Because the way i remember the scene, it was the soldier in one line close to the hole in the wall, River in the middle and the crew in the elevator corridor on the other side. No soldiers in each other's line of fire. If anything, they would have mowed down the crew along with River.
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