At the end of the BDM ...
POSTED BY: LittleAlbatross29
UPDATED: Saturday, November 18, 2006 16:31
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Had River tried to take on all those Alliance troopers she would have been killed. Fighting Reavers armed only with melee weapons in a crowded dimly lit room is one thing. Fighting highly trained Alliance troopers in combat armor who are armed with high tech weaponry is another. Keep in mind the troopers were also in a firing lane and could have concentrated their fire at River without fear of hitting one of their own. I do not doubt she would have killed some of them, but not all of them.
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She would have been dead, deader, deadest if she had tried.
They were standing close together, guns ready and aimed at nothing but their enemy, just waiting for a kill order. If she had so much as twitched, they would have mowed her down.
Maybe she could have thrown one axe, but that would have been a minimum of damage compared to a pretty instant death. And not just hers but also of those huddled behind her: the crew.
Reavers want their prey alive, which was River's advantage in that battle, along with their crowded position in the room which didn't allow them to fire without creating a bloodbath among their own.
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To me, the question isn't whether River could have taken the soldiers...
Who opened the door revealing River "triumphant"?
(Kaylee rigged the door so it couldn't be opened by the Reavers from the outside...and our BDH were laying on the floor all kinds of hurt.)
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mavourneen:
To me, the question isn't whether River could have taken the soldiers...
Who opened the door revealing River "triumphant"?
(Kaylee rigged the door so it couldn't be opened by the Reavers from the outside...and our BDH were laying on the floor all kinds of hurt.)
I think that question can be safely put into the category "Suspension of Disbelief".
There is no rational reason for this door to have opened. It was a handwaved "miracle" for the sake of the hero shot that Joss wrote the entire sequence for.
*sigh* I'm not a great fan of it but... whatever. My "real" hero moment for River isn't in the movie, it's in the series. "Objects in Space", there she was a real hero. :)
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she would have been deader than a doornail...hence, the cinematic tension, as someone has already posted.
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OK - few thoughts based on the above comments:
1. Reavers only with melee weapons? What about the gun they should Kaylee with? And Jayne commenting about them having guns. Just not true.
2. Opening the door - maybe it was an Alliance override of the systems? Or maybe it was linked to the returning lift?
Do I think she could've taken them? I guess it depends on the speed of the guns, and the willingness of the alliance soldiers to catch their colleagues in the crossfire. I'm thinking a definite maybe ;)
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Okay, I'd like to point out that they had completely surrounded her, thus all shots fired would either hit her or hit a comrade (just pointing out the poor tactical planning shown by the Alliance). Taking just that into account, River would have been mowed down and quickly (as would probably half of the purple bellies to boot).
However, had she made the right move and fast enough she could have gained more of an advantage (e.g. getting in between one alliance soldier and the rest, using him as a shield and perhaps disarming him). From there it would be possible for River to survive (though unlikely) and the Alliance troopers would have taken more casualities for certain.
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A lot of soldiers with automatic weapons and itchy trigger fingers
VS
90 pound pissed off girl with an ax and a sword looking to kill some folk.
Close one but me thinks that at least one alliance soldier would get a good shot off before she sliced him. I think everybody would die.
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Originally posted by LittleAlbatross29:
When River is done killing the Reavers,and the Alliance comes,do you thnk she could have taken on and beaten those Alliance soldiers ?
I say yes & my husband says no way.
So Browncoats, what do you say ?
Bryce
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To all of you who think that River didn't stand a chance and would have been mowed down, you might be right, but then again, after watching the River Tam Sessions, you might realize that she had a better than average chance of not even having to move to take them all out.
River is still a danger to them all, the more she gets used to and learns how to control her powers.
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I think the only way she wins is if she really can kill with her brain. Other than that I just see her trying some sort of backflip to get inbetween their ranks and start some close quarters combat. Probably not the best situation for the soldiers but still they'd spread out almost immediately and the more she kills the easier it will be for them to get a shot.
The only way she lives if they engage in combat is her getting behind them and running for it IMO.
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