John Kerry Belittles U.S. Troops?
POSTED BY: Skywalken
UPDATED: Monday, November 6, 2006 04:25
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ran ?
Well, I think it was more like you crawled away like an itty bitty bug.
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How many damn times must I explain the same damn thing over and over again before brick head Dims can finally understand a simple point?
When your points are that nonsensically constructed, then it's going to take a few times.
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I can only destroy someone's arguemnt so many times before the thrill is gone.
You really need to see a professional about these grand delusions you're having. It's unhealthy.
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My points were my own,
Indeed they were, because they sure as hell didn't make sense to anyone else.
It never got weird enough for me.
-Hunter S. Thompson
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Originally posted by Hero:
Why not? Rush stood by his remarks, but apologized for those who mistook what he said.
Okay, let's get the easy part outta' the way:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/apology
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apology: a written or spoken expression of one's regret, remorse, or sorrow for having insulted, failed, injured, or wronged another.
Now, let's examine what Limbaugh has actually said:
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"Okay, I need to apologize, I was wrong because I speculated either he didn't take his medication or he was acting"
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"I stand by what I said. I take back none of what I said. I wouldn’t rephrase it any differently. It is what I believe; it is what I think. It is what I have found to be true."
Your an educated guy, Hero. Can you really not see the contradiction in these statements? You can't have it both ways. Either he was wrong and is sorry or he stands by statement. Now, on to Kerry.
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Kerry launched an attack. Why? Because he's haunted by the failure to make a timely reply to the Swift-boat Vets in '06. His lesson now, a timely reply does not require an attack. I think an apology to the troops followed by an attack on the policy would have been more effective.
Instead he tried to run from both what he said and from his own role in the policy he is against. He can't escape both, which is why he really lost in 2004 and now in 2008 as well.
First, Kerry comment was one in a series of half a dozen where he was calling the President an idiot. In context, this is very clear and although both Limbaugh and AU claim Kerry was calling the military "losers", that word is found nowhere in the speech. So, both are making shit up, which is par for the course.
But, let's assume for a moment that yours and AU's (Limbaugh's) interpretation of Kerry's comments are correct. So what? Are the enlisted ranks of the US military largely populated with college graduates? The answer is unequivocally no. It is amusing, to me, that you Republicans are so against being PC, unless you are discussing the military. What is so wrong with calling a spade a spade?
What is even more amusing is how often I have heard friends of mine (both Republicans and Democrats) use a similar agrument to motivate their own children to study. And while I don't have kids, I would most certainly do the same.
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Powerline:
Democratic candidates are fleeing John Kerry like the plague. His appearances in Minnesota and Pennsylavania have been canceled. Tennessee's Harold Ford has called on Kerry to apologize. In Montana, Democratic Senate candidate Jon Tester says:
"Senator Kerry's remarks were poorly worded and just plain stupid. He owes out troops and their families an apology."
Seems the nuance of the speech went over the heads of a few democrats too.
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Originally posted by citizen:
You're just taking his words out of context, if you haven't heard every word he's ever said you can't possibly understand what he means.
What, someone had to say it.
Rush, you pussy, you said what you said, time to appologiseheh heh heh...
If we're going to apply this standard, we may have to renounce an awful lot of the Bush bashing that's gone on around here...
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*Edit* Hey, SergeantX. I should apologize in advance for the rant. 
At first, I thought you were applying some AURpator/Hero logic, and I went off.
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Originally posted by SergeantX:
The most important thing is that this incident proves, beyond any doubt, that Bush has actually been a great leader for the last two years. Wow, who'd a thunk it?
How does Kerry making a foolish remark prove, beyond a doubt, that Bush is a great leader?
Let's just take a look at some of your glorious leader's accomplishments:
Emergency (mis)Management: They completely failed to manage the first large-scale emergency since 9/11. Despite all their big talk and hundreds of billions of dollars spent on homeland security over the past four years, this administration proved itself stunningly incompetent when faced with an actual emergency. (Katrina Relief Funds Squandered)
Fiscal (mis)Management: America is broke. No wait, we're worse than broke. In less than five years these borrow and spend-thrifts have nearly doubled our national debt, to a stunning $8.2 trillion. These are not your father's Republicans who treated public dollars as though they were an endangered species. These Republicans waste money in ways and in quantities that make those old tax and spend liberals would never dream of doing.
Katrina relief (or the lack thereof): Eleven thousand spanking new mobile homes sinking into the Arkansas mud. Seems no one in the administration knew there were federal and state laws prohibiting trailers in flood zones. Oops. That little mistake cost you $850 million -- and counting.
Medicare Drug Program: This $50 billion white elephant debuted by trampling many of those it was supposed to save. The mess forced states to step in and try to save its own citizens from being killed by the administration's poorly planned and executed attempt to privatize huge hunks of the federal health safety net.
Afghanistan: Good managers know that in order to pocket the gains of a project, you have to finish it. This administration started out fine in Afghanistan. They had the Taliban and al Queda on the run and Osama bin Laden trapped in a box canyon. Then they were distracted by a nearby shiney object -- Iraq. We are now $75 billion out of pocket in Afghanistan and its sitting president still rules only within the confines of the nation's capital. Tribal warlords, the growing remnants of the Taliban and al Qaeda call the shots in the rest of the county.
Iraq: This ill-begotten war was supposed to only cost us $65 billion. It has now cost us over $300 billion and continues to suck $6 billion a month out of our futures. Meanwhile the three warring tribes Bush "liberated" are using our money and soldiers' lives to partition the country. The Shiites and Kurds are carving out the prime cuts while treating the once-dominant Sunnis the same way the Israelis treat the Palestinians, forcing them onto Iraq's version of Death Valley. Meanwhile Iran is increasingly calling the shots in the Shiite region as mullahs loyal to Iran take charge.
Iran: The administration not only jinxed its Afghanistan operations by attacking Iraq, but also provided Iran both the rationale for and time to move toward nuclear weapons. The Bush administration's neocons' threats to attack Syria next only provided more support for religious conservatives within Iran who argued U.S. intentions in the Middle East were clear, and that only the deterrent that comes with nuclear weapons could protect them.
North Korea: Also add to all the above the example North Korea set for Iran. Clearly once a country possesses nukes, the U.S. drops the veiled threats and wants to talk.
Social Programs: It's easier to get affordable -- even free -- American-style medical care, paid for with American dollars, if you are an illegal immigrant or the victim of a Pakistani earthquake, than if you live and pay taxes in the good old U.S.A. Nearly 50 million Americans c
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First, Kerry comment was one in a series of half a dozen where he was calling the President an idiot. In context, this is very clear and although both Limbaugh and AU claim Kerry was calling the military "losers", that word is found nowhere in the speech. So, both are making shit up, which is par for the course.
FT, please, stop exaggerating. I didn't quote Kerry with him saying those in the military were 'losers', but it was clearly implied. There's no 'making shit up' here, it's just my conclusion based on Kerry's OWN WORDS. THAT is par for the course. I didn't make anything up.
And btw, it isn't just evil Republicans are saying about Kerry. Here's what some key Democrats are saying.....
* "He has already cost us one election. The guy just needs to keep his mouth shut until after the election," a top Democratic strategist said Tuesday.
* Added Senate candidate Harold Ford Jr. of Tennessee, "Whatever the intent, Sen. Kerry was wrong to say what he said. He needs to apologize to our troops."
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/11/01/kerry
s_stuck_in_iraq_remark_ignites_firefight_with_bush_gop/
" What Sen. Kerry said was inappropriate” - Hillary Clinton
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Don't be silly. We have to have double standards you see, defend the guy, for arguments sake, you listen to everyday on the radio, and attack the guy on the otherside.
Originally posted by Causal:
If we're going to apply this standard, we may have to renounce an awful lot of the Bush bashing that's gone on around here...
Come on, what's the point in looking at a situation based on merit rather than political association? If we decide things based on political association we don't have to think for ourselves, which hurts and is no fun at all.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Ah, I see you caught the tongue in SergeantX's cheek.
Making this response superfluous.
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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Ah, I see you caught the tongue in SergeantX's cheek.
Making this response superfluous.
Yeah, but just a little late. I guess I heard one too many Republican pundits making that same ridiculous argument on the news. Oh well, my post will give AURaptor and Hero something to stew over.
It never got weird enough for me.
-Hunter S. Thompson
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A reminder. This is what Kerry SAID:
"Education -- if you make the most of it and you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
Kerry is addrssing a group of college students, telling them that if they don't do well in school ( make the most of education and study hard ), you get stuck in Iraq. Giving Kerry the benefit of a doubt, that he's referring to President Bush, then it should also be remembered.
1968 - He earns a B.A. in History from Yale Universty
1968 - He joins the Texas Air National Guard, where he pilots the F102.
1974 - He enters Harvard Business School, where he earns a MBA. ( Bush is the only US President to serve while holding a Masters of Business Adminisration )
Bush wans't tops of his class, and everyone knows that. He was an average student, as was John Kerry . But Bush's IQ tests from his military career and his grades puts him on par with or higher than John F Kerry.
John Kerry can claim he was talking about Bush, but Bush is, by every objective standard, smarter than Kerry in regards to formal education, so it's a lame ass attempt at a joke. Even if you buy his ridiculous excuse.
Seems even the Democrats are running from Kerry and his statements. He's being told to apologize and has had campaign rally after campaign rally tell him ' no thanks' and cancel his appearance.
Stoopid troops in Irak send Carry a messig:
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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