John Kerry Belittles U.S. Troops?
POSTED BY: Skywalken
UPDATED: Monday, November 6, 2006 04:25
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Dems are in duck, cover and roll mode. Will be interesting if this story has legs or not and how much it can be milked for.
Headline: Kerry fumbles on 1 yard line, dems huddle for field goal.
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Elegantly stated as usual. Although I guess you need to vent a little after the beating you took on the MJ Fox thread.
Well, as one of the token liberals, I'm sure you're ready for me to defend Kerry. Get set for disappointment AURaptor, because I'm not going to. I've only seen a ten second clip on CNN, but it was one of the most foolish things a politician has said since...oh, I don't know...Bush last spoke.
What really fascinates me, however, is your complete inability to recognize that you are now doing the very thing you were accusing so many others of doing on the MJ Fox thread. Rush tried to spin his way out of the MJ Fox comments, and Kerry is going to try and spin his way out of his remarks. While you were more than willing to accept Rush's spin, you're attacking Kerry for trying the same thing. Here's where we differ: I won't defend a politician or a political pundit who makes asinine statements, and then attempts to spin his way out of it.
I took no 'beating' on the MJ Fox thread. But keep thinking that, if it helps ya sleep better at night.
What amazes me is the need for some folks to try to equate everything as being exactly equal. Kerry's comments = Rush's comments. Sorry, but the 2 are light years apart. Different topics, different comments, differences in accountability. Rush tried and tried to explain his position, and all the media was interested in was falsly reporting that Rush 'attacked' MJ Fox and made fun of him. Utter nonsense. Kerry makes the assinine statement that is being UNIVERSALLY condemned by the Left and Right, and he refuses to not only apologize, but to even CLARIFY his comments. Kerry doesn't even have the decency to say he's sorry! Rush apologized to those who mistook what he said, and the Left refused to accept the apology! Talk about double standards!
I'm not attacking Kerry for anything other than what he ACTUALLY said. That's all. To bring in any other irrelevent topic and ignore what Kerry said is to simply ignore the initial topic.
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Kerry was OBVIOUSLY referring to Bush when he made those remarks. Here's the snippet from the AP story:
It came during a campaign rally for California Democratic gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides. Kerry opened his speech at Pasadena City College with several one-liners, saying at one point that Bush had lived in Texas but now "lives in a state of denial."
He then said: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
Find it here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061101/ap_on_go_pr_wh/white_house_kerry
The "He then said" indicates that Kerry was following up his poking fun at Bush (state of denial anyone?) with a shot at Bush's intelligence. Bush didn't do his homework, he didn't study hard, and now he's stuck in Iraq.
Then again, I'm not surprised that Bush and his crew are having trouble understanding this... I mean, they screwed up that whole "WMD in Iraq" thing... so why should they be expected to read more than two sentences in context, right?
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Ace of Spades quote:
I knew someone, like Bill Maher, would say "Hey, it's true" (right before denying that John Kerry intended to speak the truth).
I should have figured Chris Matthews too. He's been on this Army of Losers thing for a while.
Smart, college-educated chappies like him dodged the draft by joining the Peace Corps.
I just find it pretty ballsy that liberals are going to try the two-track strategy of 1) Kerry would never have said something so heinously awful and 2) what John Kerry said was 100% spot-on accurate.
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MalBadLatin...
it is weird. I'm still not sure what to think of the issue and that's part of the problem.
On first read, I believed what Kerry said was true. I thought he used specific words that sounded off the cusp and cruder than they should have been, but that his message was that there was disproportionate weight we shift to our soldiers for little reward, and how their lives are at stake for our governments missteps.
I still want that to be what he said, but since his handlers and he himself have distanced him from this criticism of the American Status quo, I cannot wholly defend Kerry on this point.
There remains 3 options that I consider...
1 - He thought his wording was bad enough that he waffled and changed the meaning of his statement...smart politics but cowardice and pretty much more of the same democratic party over the last 6 years. Kerry has been braver lately though, after his 2004 loss, and I don't think that backpedaling will be in his political arsenal any more.
2 - He really did accidetly drop the word and meant this as a veiled political joke at Bush's expense, in which case I think the word choices weren't strong enough for me to catch that they were stilted towards such a joke. I didn't think they were particularly disparaging. This option is somewhat disapointing, because I'd like to hear a politician actually talk about stuff nobody is talking about. Instead it was just a political jibe...warranted, but completely within the main-stream.
3 - This was a calculated misstep...intentionally placed to cause a media response, with a built-in out for Kerry, giving him a mouthpiece and spotlight to look and sound tough by not backing down, and also giving him an opportunity to very publically bash Bush's failures in Iraq. This option sounds kind of sly, but I don't really buy it.
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The most important thing is that this incident proves, beyond any doubt, that Bush has actually been a great leader for the last two years. Wow, who'd a thunk it?
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Quote:Well yeah, Kerry was being dumb, and Limbo was being malicious.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
What amazes me is the need for some folks to try to equate everything as being exactly equal. Kerry's comments = Rush's comments. Sorry, but the 2 are light years apart.
You're right; they are different.
We agree, how weird is that?
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I took no 'beating' on the MJ Fox thread.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one, always ready with the funny you are!
Who's laughing now Chrisisall
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
But we HAVE heard every word Kerry said, and unlike Rush, who stood by his remarks...
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Rush apologized to those who mistook what he said...
Well, which one is it, chief? Because it can't be both.
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Well, which one is it, chief? Because it can't be both.
Why not? Rush stood by his remarks, but apologized for those who mistook what he said.
Kerry launched an attack. Why? Because he's haunted by the failure to make a timely reply to the Swift-boat Vets in '06. His lesson now, a timely reply does not require an attack. I think an apology to the troops followed by an attack on the policy would have been more effective.
Instead he tried to run from both what he said and from his own role in the policy he is against. He can't escape both, which is why he really lost in 2004 and now in 2008 as well.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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I took no 'beating' on the MJ Fox thread. But keep thinking that, if it helps ya sleep better at night.
You took no "beating" because as soon as your parroted talking points were shot down, you took your usual cowards-way-out, and dissapeared from the thread.
Classic AURaptor SOP.
You took no beating 'cause you ran.
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