John Kerry Belittles U.S. Troops?
POSTED BY: Skywalken
UPDATED: Monday, November 6, 2006 04:25
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Whoot!!! Whoot!!! A lib telling what he Really thinks of THE greatest military on earth... They are composed of POOR/uneducated people.....Yeah Okay...That fucking millionaire kennedy wantto be ..Sell his Awards for shit...
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Take a look at page 19 of the report, it speaks to the racial disparity during the war. Doesn't really support your assumption, though this is only one source certainly.
"During the Vietnam War, the Kennedy administration departed from past practice and used the draft rather than the overwhelmingly white reserve components to mobilize American forces for Southeast Asia. When Kennedy assumed office, blacks were underrepresented in the military, but the Selective Service System
disproportionately drafted the poor during the early years of the Vietnam War, and black men were overrepresented among the poor. In the early
months of the Vietnam War, blacks accounted for about 20 percent of combat deaths in Vietnam, although they were only 11 percent of the military-age population. The high death toll for black soldiers led to claims of racial injustice—that blacks were fighting and dying to further the interests of white men, while still treated unfairly at home. Some critics saw further injustice in the fact that U.S. blacks were fighting and killing other nonwhites—the Vietnamese. To avoid the appearance of racial discrimination, the Pentagon reduced the assignment of blacks to combat jobs, and combat deaths for blacks fell to about 12 percent, closer to their share of the total U.S. population."
Okay, but in the later war years, was this still the case? In any case, I'll stipulate to the point since I don't remember where I heard it.
Anyways, I doubt this will change many votes. It's an interpretation of what was said by someone who is not up for reelection, and someone who is by now famous for saying the right thing in the wrong way.
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Originally posted by kaneman:
It's not the October surprise, it's an early Christmas gift..Thanks Kerry...
Thanks
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I heard what he said and my immediate thought was, "yep, our moron of a president and all of his idiot minions haven't learned a thing and we're going to stay bogged down in the meat grinder waste of life that is Bush's war for oil."
I don't believe for one moment that an actual war hero like John Kerry would badmouth troops. However, all of the service dodging assholes in Shrub's administration, they have no respect for anyone who doesn't have oil millions.
Sad that this badly worded statement was made before an election. It's only going to serve to steer debate away from where it should be ... what the hell has the republican controlled legislative branch given the American people besides
*more unemployed former-middle class families who no longer have health care or a retirement plan and
*more dead military members?
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I skimmed through it looking for some data on the socioeconomic status of volunteers. While the document makes of point of saying you have to be a high school graduate, it's coy about providing any figures at all, like, for example, household income and employment status.
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What it does say is vague:
"A recent analysis of survey data on 100,000 high school seniors from the classes of 1984 to 1991 showed that parents’ level of education — a measure of socioeconomic status — was negatively related to joining the armed forces within two years of high school graduation. Again, however, the data suggest that the military does not draw from the very lowest social strata ...
With the end of military conscription in 1973, the armed forces have become the nation’s largest employer ..."
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And for the real information, you have to research your own. From the CIA world factbook you find that blacks make up almost exactly 13% of the US population; from a chart in the document they make up 27% of the army.
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For those of you who are interested in learning more about the actual demographic makeup of the US Military, here is a link to a population report published by the Population Reference Bureau ( www.prb.org).
http://www.prb.org/pdf04/59.4AmericanMilitary.pdf
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Originally posted by rue:
I skimmed through it looking for some data on the socioeconomic status of volunteers. While the document makes of point of saying you have to be a high school graduate, it's coy about providing any figures at all, like, for example, household income and employment status.
Yeah, I was disappointed in the lack of specifics, but I suspect it would be difficult to compile such information accurately. At any rate, I think it's pretty obvious for anyone with half a brain the those in the lowest rungs of our economic ladder make up a disproportionate percentage of our armed forces. I'm not convinced economic status is a reflection of their intellect, however. I've met plenty of dimwitted rich people in my day.
One other point I'd like to make concerns the theme of "Rich man's war and poor man's fight". I think this probably accurately describes every military action our country has ever participated in and is not by itself condemnation of the necessity for waging them.
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---Napoleon Bonaparte
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
John Kerry is a coward and a liar. He said what he said, and he doesn't even have the balls to admit he's wrong. What a fucking pussy.
Elegantly stated as usual.
Although I guess you need to vent a little after the beating you took on the MJ Fox thread.
Well, as one of the token liberals, I'm sure you're ready for me to defend Kerry. Get set for disappointment AURaptor, because I'm not going to. I've only seen a ten second clip on CNN, but it was one of the most foolish things a politician has said since...oh, I don't know...Bush last spoke.
What really fascinates me, however, is your complete inability to recognize that you are now doing the very thing you were accusing so many others of doing on the MJ Fox thread. Rush tried to spin his way out of the MJ Fox comments, and Kerry is going to try and spin his way out of his remarks. While you were more than willing to accept Rush's spin, you're attacking Kerry for trying the same thing. Here's where we differ: I won't defend a politician or a political pundit who makes asinine statements, and then attempts to spin his way out of it.
A dog can't tell a Nazi from a Republican from a Commie from a Democrat and, many times, neither can I.
-Charles Bukowski
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And now, time for a little levity:
KERRY: HOW DO YOU ASK ME TO ‘DIE’ FOR MY LAST MISTAKE?
John Kerry, who was mercilessly “Swift-Boated” in the 2004 Presidential election, apparently committed the equivalent of Swift-Boat hari-kari today by a clumsy and inartful comment about the Idiot-in-Chief.
Although Kerry’s clear intent was to blame Bush’s lack of education for the mess in Iraq, the Republican smear machine immediately twisted this into a slur on the troops, showing the type of creativity and responsiveness that was noticeably absent by the Administration during Katrina and Iraq.
The GOP was so elated at this election-eve development that they dropped their planned “November Surprise” — code-named “Osama, Call Me” — a plot to elicit another bin Laden videotape.
But Kerry’s remark — “If you make an effort to be smart, you can do well; if you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq” — received widespread support from some unexpected quarters.
Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki came to Kerry’s defense, stating that “maybe if I had studied a bit more in school and gotten a job with a Western think tank, I wouldn’t be stuck these days in living hell, between these freakin’ crazy Shia and Sunnis.”
Bush, in full campaign mode, called Kerry’s statement “shameful,” asserting that “education has nothing to do with whether you serve your country in time of war — everybody knows it really depends on who your Daddy is.”
A dog can't tell a Nazi from a Republican from a Commie from a Democrat and, many times, neither can I.
-Charles Bukowski
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But Rush never had to spin his words.
Whatever.
As for Kerry, no one is posting this, which surprises me.
Hey, guys, this is the shiny distraction thingy. This is *not* the news story of the day.
News flash: This isn't news.
Kerry is a moron. What else is new. If Kerry says something dumb, that's not news either. If it was the top headline everytime John Kerry said something dumb, there would be no room for anything else.
Here's the real news story of the day:
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1061375
Sure, this is the part of me that I inherited from pirate news, but I'm serious. Some msm zombies kick around and say "what can we cover this very bad news with. what happened today? oh, we have kerry saying something dumb, ie. what else is new? "
and sure, to be fair and balanced, i'm sure bush saying something dumb just as common, but we covered this in a thread a long time ago about how they were both straight c students in college.
but kerry's brain dead soldier slander isn't news. kerry isn't even a contender anymore. he's a random non-influential senator. remember msm saying after he lost in '04 "oh kerry will become an inspirational leader in the senate now" no he's not. he'll be the same dolt he was for the last 20 years. a dumb senator's rant is hardly worth covering.
what else are they going to cover, ted kennedy's slip where he referred to barrack obama as osama bin laden, or howard dean's hide the salami remark? And sure, I know you democrats out there have some choice dumb things republicans said... but my real point here is ... smoke screen, sound familiar?
major news story was knocked off the top spot unmanned robot slaughters kids, destroys school. Pretty major news. Never happened before. 83 people. makes that robot the world's deadliest serial spree killer. forget columbine, show us you armed predator drones. remember when jay rockafeller was pushing for arming the predator drone? well happy day, look what the cat dragged in.
reading this thread, and no offense, but for a bunch of renegades, it looks like the MSM says jump and y'all say how high?
focus, people.
real world events. robot slaughters school is a real world event. wind bag blows wind is not a real world event. It's hollow words of a moron with no power. it's fluff.
john who? I mean, he probably gets together with al gore, bob dole and michael dukakis and they talk about how much better it would be *if*, but who cares?
focus. real world events. this is not real world event. it was put on the front page to distract you.
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