John Kerry Belittles U.S. Troops?
POSTED BY: Skywalken
UPDATED: Monday, November 6, 2006 04:25
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:HAHAHAHAHA!!! The Limbaugh defense. Thanks Citizen for pointing out the right-wing double standard. Always ready to crucify the left, always ready to forgive the right.
You're just taking his words out of context, if you haven't heard every word he's ever said you can't possibly understand what he means. What, someone had to say it.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
But we HAVE heard every word Kerry said, and unlike Rush, who stood by his remarks, Kerry is trying the old "errr...uhh....what I MEANT to say is blah blah blah..and if you don't buy that, you must be crazy!! " excuse.
Ain't no one buying it, no how. So sorry, but no double standard here.
Kerry called our troops murders and rapists in Viet Nam back then, and calls them uneducated losers in Iraq today. Dontchya just FEEEEL the love Kerry has for the military ?
I love it!!! Kerry is going down in flames and he keeps tossing gasoline to quench the fire. Even his buddy Dems are running away from him now, least they get caught up in the firestorm!!
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:I think that was my point.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's funny as hell to see the Dimwads try to spin this, but no one is buying it. John McCain has called for an apology from Kerry to the troops, as has President Bush.
for Rush as well
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:I think that was my point.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's funny as hell to see the Dimwads try to spin this, but no one is buying it. John McCain has called for an apology from Kerry to the troops, as has President Bush.
for Rush as well
But Rush never had to spin his words. The hate filled Left wing media and the Dems simply don't like Rush, and what he stands for, so they misquoted him on purpose.
Kerry's situation is completely different.
"I believe Sen. Kerry owes an apology to many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call," said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz
A Democratic congressman told ABC News Tuesday,[large] "I guess Kerry wasn't content blowing 2004, now he wants to blow 2006, too." [/large]
Copyright © 2006 ABC News Internet Ventures
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by Eric:
Well, that didn't take long. Page 9:
"Enlistment is also predicted by parents’
education (children of collegeeducated
parents are less likely to
serve), high school grades (those with
higher grades are less likely to serve),
college plans (college students are less
likely to enlist), race and ethnicity
(African Americans and Hispanics are
more likely to serve than whites), and
attractiveness of military work roles."
Wow, Kerry is such a pussy coward bastard! He actually said....something true.
Your welcome, I think. (ducking the bird sent my way for no appearant reason)
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's not true, and I know it, as I bet you know it too. Kerry said EXACTLY what he meant, and it's coming back to bite him. There is no draft today. There is no 'need' to join the military for those who don't wish to. We have a 100% volunteer military. A college education is by no means a ticket to a life of ease and leisure ( like John Kerry has ).
Per what Kerry actually said, it's clear who he was talking to ( college students ) and what his message was. Stay in school, study hard and get smart, or you'll be shipped to Iraq. He's so full of himself and thinks so highly of his own personal life experiece that he's convinced himself we're back in the 1960's and this is Viet Nam all over again.
It isn't. Kerry is delusional and a complete asshole.
It's funny as hell to see the Dimwads try to spin this, but no one is buying it. John McCain has called for an apology from Kerry to the troops, as has President Bush.
This is just the beginning. It's going to get much worse. For Kerry.
Actually, I've read that during Vietnam, since there WAS a draft, there was more even representation of social, economic and I'm guessing educational classes than there is now. Unless your rich daddy could get you deferred or in the National Guard, which I believe didn't fight back then.
I know what he said, and I know what he meant to say. Either way, he's correct. Fewer educated and college-bound people join the military. I don't need a comprehensive demographic study (like the one above) to tell me that, all I have to do is remember back to high school. There weren't ANY JROTC kids in the advanced classes. None.
This has nothing to do with intelligence, of course. Intelligence and education are totally different things. In Bush's America, unfunded mandates, religiousized science, and slashed higher ed budgets all serve to restrict access to the unprivileged, and otherwise intelligent people have to make a choice between poverty and the military.
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Originally posted by Razza:
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Your welcome, I think. (ducking the bird sent my way for no appearant reason)
Nah, just the thread in general.
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You guys aren't going to get much traction out of this story. It's lame.
Sometimes the truth doesn't smell like roses. I want a politician who will not be so bloody careful with every word he says to the point of offending nobody and saying nothing. That was Kerry 2004 and it hurt him.
What did Kerry say that was incorrect? Accept a little bit of reality already.
The military is largely built of our poor. They just don't plain have many opportunities, and the military is one of the few honorable options, so they take it.
That doesn't make their sacrifice any less. That doesn't make them any less Americans. They are the ones who carry the biggest burden for this nation, and they get the least back for it.
Succatash
sure some of them joined up to defend their country, but instead, as Kerry said, they ended up getting stuck in Iraq. Something went really wrong there.
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@AURaptor
I saw the entire segment in question with Rush, I saw it for what it was. He was being a twat, to put it mildly. He then turns around and says "I was only describing things for my listeners".
Well standing there rolling your tongue into you bottom lip and making "nurrr nurrr" sounds could be said to be 'describing' someone who is mentally retarded too.
Kerry's two second sound bite can't be taken out of context and Rush's much longer video can? Please give me a break, you bought into one set of spin and not the other.
I don't buy into either, Rush was being an arsehole, accusing a terminally ill man of faking his illness, Kerry was being a moron, he might be telling the truth, but he made his statements like a retarded four year old.
Rush spun his words and actions, you bought into it because it came from the right (pun most defiantly intended) source. Personally I think Kerry is as well, you don't buy into it, I suspect, because that spin doesn't come from the 'right' source.
Please spare me, of course Kerry's situation is completely different, it's Kerry, and he's wrong, where as on the other hand it's Rush, and Rush is right.
This whole thing is so damn funny, and the funniest thing, the absolute icing on the cake is you don't even see it, you really don't get it man. You don't get that the exact same situation you were defending yesterday you're vilifying today, because it can't be the same situation, because, because, because Kerry that's why!
You just don't get it do you man. You just don't fucking get it.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Originally posted by Eric:
Actually, I've read that during Vietnam, since there WAS a draft, there was more even representation of social, economic and I'm guessing educational classes than there is now. Unless your rich daddy could get you deferred or in the National Guard, which I believe didn't fight back then.
Take a look at page 19 of the report, it speaks to the racial disparity during the war. Doesn't really support your assumption, though this is only one source certainly.
"During the Vietnam War, the Kennedy administration departed from past practice and used the draft rather than the overwhelmingly white reserve components to mobilize American forces for Southeast Asia. When Kennedy assumed office, blacks were underrepresented in the military, but the Selective Service System
disproportionately drafted the poor during the early years of the Vietnam War, and black men were overrepresented among the poor. In the early
months of the Vietnam War, blacks accounted for about 20 percent of combat deaths in Vietnam, although they were only 11 percent of the military-age population. The high death toll for black soldiers led to claims of racial injustice—that blacks were fighting and dying to further the interests of white men, while still treated unfairly at home. Some critics saw further injustice in the fact that U.S. blacks were fighting and killing other nonwhites—the Vietnamese. To avoid the appearance of racial discrimination, the Pentagon reduced the assignment of blacks to combat jobs, and combat deaths for blacks fell to about 12 percent, closer to their share of the total U.S. population."
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Veteran groups have now called upon Kerry to apologize:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/31/153-10312006.html
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/31/204-10312006.html
...and a Boston woman named Debra Booth, whose son was killed in Iraq has urged Kerry to learn more about the men and women of today's military.
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/10204420/detail.html
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