Rush Limbaugh, Michael J. Fox and Parkinson's Disease
POSTED BY: misbehaven
UPDATED: Saturday, November 18, 2006 01:39
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Embryonic stem cells have, to date, yielded very little medical value.
That's an interesting point. So we should give up?
Malaria has been killing folks for 50,000 years and still kills between one and three million annually. There is still no completely effective vaccine for Malaria, despite billions spent on research. We should just give up, aye?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria#History
http://www.journalclub.org/vol2/a40.html
How about AIDS? It was first recognized in 1981 and to date has killed more than 25 million people. There is no cure or vaccine for AIDS, even though billions have been spent. Meh, I don't have AIDS, so why should I give a damn? Off with their funding!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS
Let's look at Polio. It was first (officially) recognized in 1840. Jonas Salk didn't test his vaccine until 1952. So, it took over 100 years to work out those bugs. I'm glad they didn't give up in 1845 because there were not yet positive results.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine
Maybe the Measles? Reports of Measles go back to at least 600BC. The virus was finally isolated in 1954. In 1963 licensed vaccines became available. Only two and half millennia to punch that one out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles
Look, I get that we're an instant gratification society, but sometimes it takes those scientists a few years to figure things out. Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't give up quite yet...
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Maybe the Dems should thank Rush. At this point, he's just digging a deeper hole for the GOP to try to climb out of next week.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Wow. I can't believe this is still going on.
According to the right-wingers - Rush was just engaged in reasoned debate. He was not mimicking Fox, he was just, uhhhmm, uuhhhhh, something or other. Whatever. Whatever those movements were, it's not important ! We have to stick to the issues ! And Fox. WELL ! When he was giving testimony about the effects of Parkinson's he had no RIGHT to show Congress what those effects were! That was just like lying !
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Quote:You divisive fool. Peeps go off on Clinton, and it's okay. Peeps go off on Rush, and you knee-jerk your vitriolic wad.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
( All this while the Dims are guilty of doing what they accuse the GOP of being, making fun of Rush for his hearing loss or battling over addiction to pain meds. Yes, true compassion from the Left.)
Poor Rush, battling that addiction; it jumped him and wrestled him to the ground. He scored his Oxycontin fix, kicking and screaming all the way.
He's an example of the slime of humanity, and you associate yourself in his goo by defending him.
What Mal said means nothing huh? Right on the edge you are, just a right-wing version of a lefty moonbat. Mal would be disgusted with ya.
And compassion? What? Are those on the left supposed to have the franchise on that? You sayin' that the right is notoriously mean? That's neo-con territory, my friend. Your narrow focus on what you believe to be right and wrong is damaging my calm.
Biped Manimal-watching scum.
The acid-tongued, righteously indignant Chrisisall
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Quote:Thank the fascist leanings of our present leaders, and the immoral support dopes like DISruptor give to them for my new resolve, my dear
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Chrisisall is the new black! He is my hero!
.Now get to work! Chrisisall
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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Um, everything you said about Malaria, HIV/AIDS, Polio, Measles, etc.
Thank you, thank you for posting the exact response I was about to spend 20 minutes trying to compile. I find so much of this thread tedious, and I hope more people take notice of this facet of AURaptor's argument (that there should be no federal funding for ESC research because it has yet to prove fruitful).
It seems like he went very quickly from vehemently defending Rush to finally enlightening us on his political and scientific opinions that have motivated all his previous rants. I can only hope that this will give us some actual knowledge about why he argues what he does; otherwise my brain might explode.
Don't make faces.
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Your very welcome, Marina, It was a slow day at the salt mine. I wouldn't, however, expect any kinda' reasoned response from AU. If the pattern holds, once backed into a corner, he will rabbit. And he says Kerry is the coward...
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Lots of posts since the last time I was here. A couple of random thoughts...
I went back to Limbaugh's site to see if I could find the original transcript. Nope. He has created a page titled, "What Rush REALLY said about Michael J. Fox." That's false advertising. The page should be titled, "What Rush really said about what he said about Michael J. Fox." Nowhere on the page can you read what Limbaugh initially said. The page is full of information and links to transcripts - from the many segments he has spent talking about Fox - but not one of those transcripts is the one of interest. The take-away message for me is that Limbaugh is afraid of putting what he said out in the public view. He'll devote thousands of words to explaining what he said, but refuses to simply quote himself. His defense is, "Because I said so." And the dittoheads say, "Amen." So, until someone produces the full transcript and we can all judge for ourself, the defense that the video clip is out of context is bullshit. Rush obviously thinks he has something to hide. So do I.
Shifting gears. I think that attempting to engage in civil discourse can be a mistake. Those who are more concerned with the tone of what they are saying than what is being said are going to get taken advantage of. It's like telemarketers, they rely on people being polite. Well, those who support this administration blindly rely on the rest of us being polite. I've been hanging around these boards for going on three years now. In that time, I've seen a lot of crap put out there by Bush supporters. A lot. I have a tremendous amount of respect for both SignyM and Rue because they call people on their crap. With evidence. Both SignyM and Rue have done a lot of heavy lifting over the past two years. And often, when one of them has researched and debunked a particular point and brought it to our attention, the person who made the claim will shift the goalposts or change subjects or even just restate the debunked claim over again. It's frustrating as hell to read, and I'm just a third party to the exchange. When someone does not show the capacity to change, there's very little you can do with them. One option is to tag them with their behavior. I find Rue's nicknames to be pretty accurate, at least based on what I've seen over the years. {Side note: I enjoy Chrisisall's posts for quite different reasons}.
Part of what I see in this thread is outrage stemming from disbelief. Those of us who have stopped drinking the administration's Kool Aid are an optimistic bunch. We keep expecting the true believers to wake up and smell the coffee. I keep thinking, "There's no way they are going to buy that one." And if they question one thing, maybe they'll question two. Once you critically look at what this administration says and does you see all sorts of inconsistencies. There have been tipping points where large numbers of Americans have woken up - Katrina being the largest - but, for the most part, the true believers do not rattle. When Limbaugh so clearly crosses the line I'm thinking, "There's no way anyone can defend that." And I'm wrong again. Damn, that Kool Aid is some strong stuff.
Changing direction. FellowTraveler hit on something that had been bugging me, this whole instant gratification thing. That was an aspect of the counter ad (the one that starts off with Jim Caviezel speaking in Aramaic - Golly, I wonder who that is targeting - and has various celebrities talking) that rankled. I think it was the Kurt Warner segment.
It's a good thing Limbaugh didn't have a show when Kennedy pledged the moon. Something being proposed by a Massachusetts Democrat? He would've been hating on the space program all day every day. If it was up to Limbaugh and his followers, there'd be pictures of cosmonauts planting the first footprints on the moon.
We used to be a nation of, "Can do." You got a problem? We'll solve it. And one of the ways we've solved many problems is by advancing our understanding of science. Now we have a
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
How about a solution to the whole mess
Lets take the researchers and all the money that could be spent on said research, move it to Canada and get something done.
After all, the end goal is more important than the politics involved...
that ain't gonna happen
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Originally posted by JaynezTown:Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
How about a solution to the whole mess
Lets take the researchers and all the money that could be spent on said research, move it to Canada and get something done.
After all, the end goal is more important than the politics involved...
that ain't gonna happen
Already Is
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2006/10/25/keller-stem-cells.html
Dr. Gordon Keller, one of the world's leading stem cell scientists, is coming back to Canada to head up a new research centre in Toronto.
Keller will be the director of the McEwen Centre for Regenerative Medicine at the University Health Network, which was launched on Wednesday.
Keller left his native Saskatchewan 16 years ago to work in the U.S. Earlier this year, New York magazine called the embryonic stem cell researcher one of the top six medical minds the city didn't want to lose.
Now we need more researchers to move, more pharma companys to send their research budgets north, and of course all the charitable foundations to send all their cash up here...
" Fighting them at their own game
Murder for freedom the stab in the back
Women and children and cowards attack
Run to the hills run for your lives "
http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/ironmaiden/liveafterdeath.html#12
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