Rush Limbaugh, Michael J. Fox and Parkinson's Disease

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I've seen the clips of Rush,

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So the answer is no, you've only seen what you've been fed, and not as it was actually said. Ok. Thought so.

You can't deny what I've said, so you just make the 'beatin' the dead horse' remark. Classic.

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Some in the GOP do want to criminalize E.S.C. research, because they equate it to abortion.

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It's more than abortion, it's the state mandated creation of a embryo ( read 'very small human' ) and then the state mandated destruction of that same embryo after it's medical usefulness is over. Kinda hard to miss the goulesh aspects of that situation, as seen from the Pro Life crowd. They kinda have a good point

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So according to you, the scientists researching this are liars and panderers, because they've said that it MIGHT potentially yield cures

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No, not the scientist , but the political activists who are lying about the potential cures and treatments from ESCs with out admitting that Adult stem cells are proving far more successful.

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They're E.S.C's! They're not living human beings! They 're subatomic bits of goo visible only under a microscope, unlike the living, breathing people dying of these diseases. What part of that don't you understand?

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No, they're huamn beings.
* embryo

Early stage of development of an organism in the egg or the uterus, during which its essential form and its organs and tissues develop. In humans, the organism is called an embryo for the first seven or eight weeks after conception, after which it is called a fetus. In mammals, the fertilized egg or zygote undergoes cleavage (cell division without cell growth) to form a hollow ball or blastocyst. During the second week following fertilization, gastrulation (cell differentiation and migration) results in the formation of three tissue types.

At least be honest about what you're dealing with here. Until you can do that, this is all a waste of time.

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So by that logic, I guess we shouldn't bother with the research at all. Yeah, that makes sense.

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Amazing, your ability to see and read ONLY what you want. I never said we shouldn't do ANY research. But we must realize that ASCs are FAR MORE likely to yield benefitial results than ESCs. ( taps microphone....is this thing on ? )

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The majority of the research being done is on adult stem cells, because Bush and Co. have refused to provide federal funding for E.S.C.

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Wrong. ESCs are yielding complications such as tumors. ASCs are yielding positive results. If there was such a potential for ESC, then the private market would be all over this stuff. That they aren't should tell you something.

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And you are again failing to mention that Fox also endorses Republicans who support federal funding for E.S.C. research. By the way, I don't (usually) drink, I toke

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Who was it that Fox was supporting in those several ads. The Democrat candidates.

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The overwhelming consesus amongst the scientists studying E.S.C. research is that it MAY yield cures. But of course, the only way to find out is to fund it.

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Umm.. who's drinking the kool-aid now ?

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Don't even get me started on that hypocrite's stance on drugs.

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Which brings us back to where we started. You only know what you've been told to know. Does that seem right to you ?




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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Well, it is the Democrats fault.

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Ahh man, Misbehaven, I guess I owe you twenty, you win the bet, I thought for sure even AU wouldn't say it.

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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It's the Democrat's fault! They MADE Rush say that Fox was faking his disease! They put a hot poker up Rush's butt and FORCED him to slander!

Yada yada yada. Sounds like a 4-year-old. GOP, the party of accountability, refuses to accept any.

PS- I'm waiting for "It's Clinton's fault". Because everything is Clinton's fault.
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Originally posted by SignyM:

PS- I'm waiting for "It's Clinton's fault". Because everything is Clinton's fault.

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Oh, it's coming. Just give 'em some time...

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
* embryo

Early stage of development of an organism in the egg or the uterus, during which its essential form and its organs and tissues develop. In humans, the organism is called an embryo for the first seven or eight weeks after conception, after which it is called a fetus. In mammals, the fertilized egg or zygote undergoes cleavage (cell division without cell growth) to form a hollow ball or blastocyst. During the second week following fertilization, gastrulation (cell differentiation and migration) results in the formation of three tissue types.

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It doesn't say that an embryo IS a human being any where there. It does expressly imply that an embryo IS NOT a foetus. You're reading into an entry what you want to be there at least be honest about that.

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It's more than abortion, it's the state mandated creation of a embryo ( read 'very small human' ) and then the state mandated destruction of that same embryo after it's medical usefulness is over. Kinda hard to miss the goulesh aspects of that situation, as seen from the Pro Life crowd. They kinda have a good point

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Please before condemning something ensure you know what you are talking about. The Embryos aren't "state created for state sponsored destruction". As sweet as that sentiment may be, conjuring up images of jackbooted scientist saying "we have ways of making you pregnant, IGOR the probe!" it's complete shite.

The embryos are ones created all the time, for IVF and other treatments that are destroyed anyway. Realise what side your advocating here, destroying something for no purpose, or using it for research that has the potential to yield cures for debilitating illness's.

Which is something else, may yield cures, for some bizarre reason you equate may with "probably won't". What's up with that? I mean most major scientific breakthroughs started with "MAY do this" or "MAY do that".

Yeah, more has come from Adult stem cell research, hardly surprising given that there's actually been research done on Adult Stem cells and next to none done on ESC.

You're argument sounds suspiciously like that of a man who's never looked up refusing to believe there is a moon. "There may be a Moon, but why should I waste my time looking for something that could very well not be there."

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Wrong. ESCs are yielding complications such as tumors. ASCs are yielding positive results. If there was such a potential for ESC, then the private market would be all over this stuff. That they aren't should tell you something.

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It tells me the private sector is doing what it always does, waiting for it to be a sure thing. The private sector rarely funds research early on, it's too risky, they wait until it's more or less proven and then step in to make the profit.

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Umm.. who's drinking the kool-aid now ?

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If understanding the scientific process and thus waiting for research to be done before saying something isn't worth it is "drinking the kool aid" it sure as hell ain't you.

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Which brings us back to where we started. You only know what you've been told to know. Does that seem right to you ?

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You know what you've been told by Rush, and Misbehaven knows what's he/she's been told by scientists. I'm sure you may think you have a point.

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Originally posted by SignyM:
It's the Democrat's fault! They MADE Rush say that Fox was faking his disease! They put a hot poker up Rush's butt and FORCED him to slander!

Yada yada yada. Sounds like a 4-year-old. GOP, the party of accountability, refuses to accept any.

PS- I'm waiting for "It's Clinton's fault". Because everything is Clinton's fault.

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What you fail to realise with your assumptions is that what you think Rush was doing was not what he was doing. The only way you could truely understand his comments is if you've heard every word he's said since his radio show began, otherwise you're merely taking it out of context.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
So the answer is no, you've only seen what you've been fed, and not as it was actually said. Ok. Thought so.

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The only person repeating what others are saying is you, ditto head. I know that you're a fan of Rush, but that doesn't mean that you always have to agree with him, especially when he's so blatantly wrong. And yes, there are plenty of clips that show the segment; I've watched them. And, yes, Rush attacks Fox's character, and he does mock him. What else do you think he's doing when he's sitting there flailing his arms around?

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You can't deny what I've said, so you just make the 'beatin' the dead horse' remark. Classic.

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I've already denied it in a previous post, which you so conveniently chose to ignore. Here it is again:

"I wondered how long it would take before you blamed the Democrats for this. Yes! it is the Democrats fault. If they had not run an ad willingly featuring an admirable celebrity dying of a debilitating disease, then a typically uniformed Rush Limbaugh would not have made an ass out of himself and brought even more attention to the E.S.C. debate.

I can see why the Republicans are mad. This shines a nationwide spotlight on E.S.C. funding right before an election. It puts a recognizable face on the disesase. And it exposes most Republican Congressmen and the Bush administration for the unsympathetic panderers they are."

But keep on blaming the Democrats, AURaptor. That's what conservatives always resort to when they're losing an argument. The next step is to blame Clinton specifically. Either Clinton will do.

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It's more than abortion, it's the state mandated creation of a embryo ( read 'very small human' ) and then the state mandated destruction of that same embryo after it's medical usefulness is over. Kinda hard to miss the goulesh aspects of that situation, as seen from the Pro Life crowd.

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Only as seen from the Pro-Life crowd, and only if you agree with their particular religious view, that a microscopic cell has a soul. I don't and many millions of others both in this country and worldwide don't agree with them either.

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No, not the scientist , but the political activists who are lying about the potential cures and treatments from ESCs with out admitting that Adult stem cells are proving far more successful.

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The political activists who support E.S.C. research are receiving their information from the very scientists you're admitting aren't lying. And those political activists also include some Republicans. Yes, adult stem cells are currently proving more useful, because that's where the most resesarch money is being spent. That doesn't mean that they have more potential, but rather that they're being researched more thoroughly at this point. Switch tactics already. I'm getting tired of repeating this.

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No, they're huamn beings.
* embryo

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No, they're embryonic stem cells, which are taken from embryos. The very fact that they're stem cells means, " they can develop into each of the more than 200 cell types of the adult body when given sufficient and necessary stimulation for a specific cell type."

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At least be honest about what you're dealing with here. Until you can do that, this is all a waste of time.

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I agree. I wish you'd get your facts straight.

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I never said we shouldn't do ANY research. But we must realize that ASCs are FAR MORE likely to yield benefitial results than ESCs.

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Here's what you said in a previous post:

If you're going to play that game, best put the $$ where it can offer the greatest pay back. So far, E.S.C research is a hole in the ground, where better returns could be expected elsewhere.

So, no. You're not advocating funding and performing any stem cell research. You're just advocating not funding and performing any ESC research. Of course you know that's what I meant. I guess I need to go back to spelli

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Originally posted by citizen:

]Originally posted by AURaptor:
Well, it is the Democrats fault.


Ahh man, Misbehaven, I guess I owe you twenty, you win the bet, I thought for sure even AU wouldn't say it.

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Honestly, I didn't either. But when all else fails....



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