Rush Limbaugh, Michael J. Fox and Parkinson's Disease
POSTED BY: misbehaven
UPDATED: Saturday, November 18, 2006 01:39
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www.rushlimbaugh.com
I'd say thanks, but there is nothing there that provides me with an actual transcript of what Rush said. So, you tell me... what did Rush say?
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Originally posted by SignyM:
www.rushlimbaugh.com
I'd say thanks, but there is nothing there that provides me with an actual transcript of what Rush said. So, you tell me... what did Rush say?
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Sygnm:
The fact that you do not know what he said and yet have condemned him anyway is the point. Perhaps you should educate yourself before forming an opinion and throwing around all kinds insults at people who actually heard his broadcast.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
bush in only putting limits on FEDERAL funding.
I KNOW!
Why do you keep repeating something that no one is disagreeing with you about in the first place? Quote:
Let state's decide if they want to pick up the fight.
Some already are deciding that very thing. California just voted in favor of state funding.
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The argument being made here is that it is not a proper function of Gov't to get into the business of funding the production of embryos for the sake of destroying them. Even if it means they 'might' be destroyed in the name of research. THAT IS THE GORRAM ISSUE!
Yes, according to you, that is the issue. Only a couple of problems. The issue is not whether or not the government should be providing funding for E.S.C. research, because the overwhelming majority of American taxpayers agree they should. The real issue is that Bush and other Republicans in Congress are not supporting federal funding, because they are pandering to the minority in this country, the religious Right. That is why Fox endorses candidates that support E.S.C. funding. That is why Fox made the campaign ads. That is why Rush attacked him and mocked him, as the facts are not in Rush's favor. The fact remains the majority of Americans agree with Fox's position, not Rush's and Bush's stance.
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The point being made is that just as it's wrong to build a bridge to nowhere up in Alaska, it's wrong to spend $$ creating embryos for the sole sake of being destroyed.
There is some logic for you.
Yes, it is wrong to build a bridge for hundreds of millions of dollars in Alaska. It is a bridge even the residents do not want, but the Senator does because he gets to place his name on it.
The primary basis for arguing against funding E.S.C. research is unfounded religious belief. It is also a religious belief that not even all Christians agree is correct. And that is not reasonable grounds for denying millions of people worldwide potential cures for diseases that are killing them. Call me compassionate, but I would rather try and preserve the life of the living and not some subatomic gob of goo in a Petri dish, because a minority group of Christian fundamentalists believe it might have a soul.
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misbehaven, you started this thread with a false prmise...It's sad that a person's political ideology can run so deeply, that he feels justified in verbally attacking someone who's suffering from a debilitating disease just because he disagrees with the other guy's politics. In no way what so ever did Rush 'verbally attack' anyone, and he definatly didn't do it 'just because he disagrees w/ the mj fox's politics.
Yeah, you are right. I was just making up stuff about Rush accusing Fox of lying and mocking him. It has only been all over the media. Initially, Rush attacked Fox's character. It was not until he began to take a beating by both Democrats and Republicans that he switched tactics.
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There in lies the problem. Folks simply hate Rush for what ever reason, and then base their views accordingly.
I do not hate Rush one way or the other, but I do think it is despicable to mock someone dying of a disease. I do think it is despicable to attack that person's character without sufficient cause. That is what Rush did.
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As I've said before, if you're that narrow minded and ignorant on this issue, please sit down and shut up.
I am glad you decided to remain civil. But then since I have handed you your ass on every post, I can see how you might be a little upset.
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Okay, here goes (because Google works so well for everybody, you can go link hunting yourself):
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But yet every one of his ads is run for the benefit of a Democrat, even in Maryland whether the Democrat beneficiary of the Michael J. Fox ad voted against exactly what Michael J. Fox advocates in the ad.
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Mr. Fox is doing is bipartisan. I watched and I was sort of stunned to hear this -- and then he said, I don't really care about politics. Uh, disease is a nonpartisan problem, requires a bipartisan solution. He's only doing commercials for Democrats.
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Mr. Fox on Katie Couric's show last night said some incredible things. He said disease is a "nonpartisan problem that requires a bipartisan solution." The only person I'm aware of who said that all week is me. He's not acting in a bipartisan fashion. He's running commercials exclusively for Democrats.
So, then, when he did a commercial in support of Arlen Specter, that was...
And, here's a link to the amendment in question:
http://www.nocloning.org/amendment.pdf
If indeed this amendment does allow cloning (which to my knowledge it doesn't; "No person may clone or attemp to clone a human being" seems clear enough, except for the definition of a "human being"), then why isn't there something in federal laws or scientific ethical guidlines that prohibits it; or, why isn't there a movement to put such laws and guidlines in place? If nothing like that exists so far, then it is up to the people to do something about it.
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I do not hate Rush one way or the other, but I do think it is despicable to mock someone dying of a disease. I do think it is despicable to attack that person's character without sufficient cause. That is what Rush did.
Rush didn't mock anyone here, and you know it. There was sufficient cause to clarify what MJ Fox did, and Rush was well with in his right to do so. I'm glad he did. If anyone is to blame here, it's not MJ Fox, but the Democrats who used him for this pathetic sympathy ploy to get folks to vote their way. It's beyond disgraceful.
P.S. I edited my comments before you posted your reply, so I don't really care about your claims of civility here.
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huh????
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Razza- Rush's conclusions about Mr Fox, as transcribed, are not based in fact they are based on supposition.
What can one call into question about MJ Fox?
Well, we can call his obvious motives into question. But I think his motives are quite clear- he's facing death in the near term and he's hoping someone will come up with an answer. If not for him then for others. No issue there.
What about less obvious motives? Using his disease to push a pro-Democratic agenda? Well, for someone who's facing death fairly soon I can't imagine Fox getting so worked up about it, but the fact is that Fox also supported Arlen Specter, a pro-embryonic stem cell Republican, and has made common cause with Nancy Reagan also a Republican. If the current GOP wants to kick Specter and Reagan out of the Party I suppose that's their problem, but MJ Fox apparently has no problem working with Republicans who support embryonic stem cell research. It seems to me that MJ Fox is pretty much a one-issue guy.
We can question his science. But I didn't hear anybody really do that... they said was "Well he's not really a scientist, so if he's mistaken we'll give him a pass on that".
And we can question his means. Did he "fake" his disease- make it appear more horrible than it "really" is? Rush said yes. He attacked MJ Fox's integrity and honesty directly. He called Fox a "fake" for NOT HIDING his disease. Just like Fox did NOT HIDE his disease for Congress. Because the medications don't "cure" the disease they only mask if, and then only for about 5 years.
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Quote:Like fish in a barrel.
Originally posted by misbehaven:
since I have handed you your ass on every post, I can see how you might be a little upset.
Ease up, M, he's bleedin'.
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Quote:*holds up a sign with a big screw on one half and a baseball on the other*
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Rush didn't mock anyone here, and you know it.
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Quote:I've seen the visuals (Rush jerking around, flailing his arms) I've seen various portions of the transcript which are QUITE CLEAR on what he said about MJ Fox. QUITE CLEAR. And based on those transcripts alone, Rush should be condemned.
Sygnm: The fact that you do not know what he said and yet have condemned him anyway is the point. Perhaps you should educate yourself before forming an opinion and throwing around all kinds insults at people who actually heard his broadcast.
What I want to know is... did Rush make ANY attempt to address the issue of embryonic stem cell research? Any at all? Or was it all about MJ Fox? Attempting to address the issue will prevent further opprobrium from being heaped on him. Mkaing it ALL about MJ Fox simply means that Rush will be, should be, villified even further.
The fact that none of Rush's defenders have come forward to say "YES! Rush DID address embryonic stem-cell research in tha segment!" makes me think that maybe he didn't.
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