What's wrong with being a tough guy?
POSTED BY: ChrisMoorhead
UPDATED: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 21:49
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CMH - Congrats on getting cleared to re-enlist. I am glad you get another attempt to leave your dream. PTSD is some nasty stuff. A friend ended up in the hospital for 6 weeks because of it. Not good at all.
So you've already been back through MEPS? Make sure you get the contract that You want. They can negotiate on the terms and benifits. Most times people don't realize it and get shafted in the end. Good luck with that!
When (not if) you end up over in the Sand Box make sure you watch youself and your buddies. Stay safe and come home!
As far as the reason for this tread.....
I will be the first to admit that I stood on that Soap Box that you speak of (this is more for the other readers and not really you). Afterwards we started a very normal and civil conversation. You do have alot of good ideas, input and it has been fun talking military shop with you.
I think that what gets people upset is some of the topics you bring up and how you bring them up.
I wasn't around for the "rapist" conversation and I really don't what to know what happened. Not my business.
But the constant talk of death or beating people and the way you describe it seems to be the main issues that I have. Not for any personal reasons. I just know that some people don't want to talk about such issues. It scares them or it reminds them of their past and they would rather be elsewhere.
Yes it could be ignored and I am sure that people are ignoring what you have to say which is not good either. When you are not talking about such things you have a great deal of positive input to this site.
You said it right a while back. We all came together because of Firefly and we are all different. Not everyone is going to see eye to eye on every topic.
So when I go to a thread I read as much of it as I can before I post anything. I try to figure out what is accepted and what is over the line and I post accordingly. I do that out of respect for all who come here. If I cannot respond without stepping over that line I just don't post.
Well I rambled long enough.
You should stop by the Pub sometime. We don't just drink alcohol there. Coffee in the morning and quite a few don't drink at all. It is just a place to kick back and relax.
Kelkhil
The Shirtless Forsaken
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Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
For the life of me, I don't know why so many people who enjoy watching a show set in an old-west atmosphere, with bar fights, shoot-outs and the like have such a negative opinion of anyone with mean streak.
There is a difference between reality and fiction. FF/S is fiction, NOT a guide-book for life. Also, it is obviously based on life in the old-west. Last time I checked, this is NOT the old-west. There is also a difference between someone with a "mean streak" and someone with violent tendancies that is a danger to others. You are the later, NOT the former.
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Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
Forgive me my ramblings, but my favorite stories to hear from my father's youth are all about people getting their asses kicked. One time, it was about him and some buddies getting stomped by an East coast chapter of the Pegans motorcycle club. Another time, it was about a biker buddy of his beating the hell out of some preppy who cut him off. Then there's my friend's dad, who used to deal out West, and ended up taking a 9mm to the gut. Had a friend named Johnny with classic short man's disease, used to carry around a butterfly knife. Said he once stabbed two guys so quick that they didn't notice until after they had kicked Johnny's ass.
In all seriousness, please seek help. I don't know if you have a medical condition i.e. a chemical imbalance, or just have a distorted reality being brought up with such stories or a combination of the two. But, you do need help.
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Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
It's all great story telling, but whenever I bring up the subject around here, I don't just get people who disagree with what I did, but who make personal attacks on me. What gives man? Why the hell can't people have a good time trading stories about violence? The only thing that makes getting hurt that bad worth it is being able to tell other people about it and laugh. I know this might seem like nitpicking to some people, but for fuck's sake, this is how I unwind with my friends, and here it almost seems equivilent to using racial slurs.
There is a difference between telling stories that include violence and committing them. Stories are basically harmless when one can tell fact from fiction. Committing violence is a crime and no-one living in a civilized world, in a civilized way would be proud of what you are proud of doing.
You also seem to be missing the point. Telling stories about you beating the crap out of your so called friends isn't equivalent "to using racial slurs" here. We're just pointing out the stupidity of it and you're refusing to acknowledge that.
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A lot of people on this site need to lighten the fuck up. I don't go around telling people that they're dumbasses, immature or un-intelligent just for posting their opinions or a story about something I don't agree with. And don't get me wrong, I don't mind people disagreeing with me, but these personal attacks have got to stop. It's not like I don't wanna get in people's faces about some things, but I don't for several reasons. One, it's online, and I think anyone who hides behind words on a screen is a chicken shit, so because I'm unable to be present when I talk shit, I simply avoid doing so. The second, being related to the first, is that nothing ever gets resolved. Because no one's physically present to defend their word, no one backs down, so nothing ever gets resolved. It's bullshit man.
So, you say, "I don't wanna get in people's faces" and then do just that. You say, "I don't go around telling people that they're dumbasses, immature or un-intelligent" and then do just that.
Guy, you're a hypocrite.
Also, nothing gets resolved with regards to this little debate because YOU don't want to acknowledge what we are saying. It is YOU that thinks that we all need to be in a room together to settle things because settling thi
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Chris, I'm not posting this to incur your wrath, and I am not here to insult you either... but, please at least consider taking a little less violent approach to life... You say pain makes you strong, that may be, but the lifestyle that you proclaim will only induce a large amount of stress related problems in your life. It’s admirable to be independent and live life on one’s own terms, but remember, moderation is the key – try to temper your aggressive nature with a like amount of passivity…
(oh, and try to get laid every now and then… it takes the edge off)
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My only question is for both Kaneman and Chrismoorhead... why do you persist in coming to a site peopled by individuals you seem to dislike and then make confrontation staements and then act surprised or wounded when the outcry begins? Maybe you should try a new site or place where mindles, pointless, violence for it's own sake and not as a final resort for the defense of self or others is the main topic. And Kaneman could you please pick a gender. It's vaguely disconcerting. I realized we're all relatively disembodied here, but honestly it'd be much appreciated if you could decide who/what you are and then stick to that for at least a period of greater than a few weeks.
CMH- I would also suggested you might want to check out a few books by John Douglas ( F.B.I. profiler) and ask youself a few pointed questions about your life and choices. I note you mentioned past abuse. Are you aware that abused kids fall into one of two catagories. 1- Identifying with victim- constantly seek out situations in which they will be abused again OR 2- identifing with the aggressor. Seek to wipe out all "weakness" and then bully or abuse others. Neither pattern is healthy and both will lead to serious problems.
For both of you. I really do suggest that you try and find a site with people more suited to your personalities. I am still baffled that you feel the need to hang out here among us whiny, wimpy, pathetic people who obviously have no interest in or tolerance for your behavior. Really do us all a favor and find another site or develop some manners and a less sociopathic personality.
I choose to rise instead of fall- U2
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CMH, thanks for the thread.
I once had a problem with you...we both know this, and I think we have mostly resolved our issues. I, for the most part, enjoy your posts, and agree that you are intelligent and literate. You express yourself well, and that is what gets to most people in here. I won't say that some of the things you say don't bother me, but I have gotten past the point where I think you are only here to cause trouble. I am glad you are a Browncoat, and glad you are an active participant here on the boards.
I am also a fan of what may be considered violent actions...but mine are more along the lines of controlled violence; when I go into a fight, I know I will not end up seriously injured. Well, at least I hope not. I am talking about the sword fighting...it's not choreographed, we don't wear armor, and we go full speed. But, the weapons we use are not lethal and we are not setting out to really hurt one another. I am thinking, and I may be wrong, that when you set your mind to violence, the goal is to seriously hurt whoever faces you. I understand this based on the concept of "Don't leave your enemy standing"...makes sense to me. I think many people on here are irked that you seem to seek out violent situations, and revel in them. I don't have a problem with this, either. The problem only really comes about because your posts seem to brag in those facts. I get a chuckle out of a few of your threads, and even nod my head in agreement to a few of them.
Self-reliance; I agree with that, too. There is the very high possibility that I would not last long outside a civilized area...I have never hunted, never killed for my own food, never foraged, either. So we are in agreement that that is a skill that should be nurtured and taught. But, again, from your posts, it almost seems like you are one of the people that would end up at Ruby Ridge or something beacause of a desire to escape the yoke of government and corporation. This is not an insult; I am merely letting you know what your posts lead me to think and visualize.
I hope you take all of that as it was meant; to let you read what I see when I read your posts, without all the emotional stuff tacked on. Again, I am glad you are here, and I have enjoyed the few conversations we have had since we worked things out. I am glad that you are cleared to re-enlist, and I hope you do well. I echo KelKhil when I say be careful in the 'sandbox'. We don't need to lose a Browncoat over there!
Oh, and this:
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I am cleared to carry and operate a fully automatic weapon. I'd say that makes me pretty mentally stable.
I liked that!______________________________________
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I don't understand what's going on...
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Quote:If you don't like it why not take your own advice and ignore those who say it? Or at least ignore that sentiment.
Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
I've noticed an un-usually vehement hate for anything approaching the American badass arch-type on this website. For the life of me, I don't know why so many people who enjoy watching a show set in an old-west atmosphere, with bar fights, shoot-outs and the like have such a negative opinion of anyone with mean streak.
I don't care what you do with yourself, go beat shit outta a punch bag, I do so regularly myself. In fact it's even more fun doing with real people in a sparing match, they hit back after all. Long as you ain't squaring up to me with a broken bottle why the f**k should I care, and for that matter why should you care about people who think you're a knuckle dragger or some such?
This thread just seems to be drawing attention and scorn for something you say shouldn't be viewed as such, so why start it?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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I don't dislike you. I just wondered why you would be in a place you felt so unwanted or harrassed in. But since you're fine with that, then stay all you want. I don't think therapy is the only or even the best answer in most cases, but it's my job to work with abused and violent kids and I know that no one leads a fulfilling or productive life without learning to grow past the abuse and not repeat the maladaptive cycles contained in abuse. I worry that you don't seem to have gotten past it. You seem to glory in pain, anguish, and a level of stoicism that has me concerned for your safety and the safety of others around you. You have many of the characteristics I see in my students and I have to say , while many have gone on to change the pattern and develop healthy patterns of behavior, those who haven't are dead or in jail. It concerns me that you have a perception that everyone hates you and that every place you've been people hate you, yet you don't seem to recognize that it could be your provoking and unusually anti-social behavior that they are reacting to. Or if you do recognize it, you seem to feel that you don't need to change your behavior. This concerns me, because it is also something I see some of my students struggle with. They want the liking and acceptance of peers, but they are somewhat trapped in the maladapitve behaviors that have led to their ostracizing. They can't seem to break away from their socially inappropriate behaviors. That would be, I guess, my main concern about your posts. You are aware( being as bright as you obviously are) that your posts are provocative and likely to produce significant negative response, yet when they do, you act as though you have been victimized. This is a profoundly unhealthy pattern. I honestly don't think I have ever said this to another adult. And this is not based on a hatred or dislike of you. This is based on my Masters in Psychology and 8 years working with emotionally disturbed and behavior disordered students. YOU NEED HELP. You are so unhappy and trapped and you will not get out of that until you do something, not meaning therapy( though that's not a bad idea)but even a self help book or two. Sorry this is so long, but I am genuinely concerned for you.
As for Kaneman, I just don't get it. Sometimes you are charming, kind, thoughful, and nice. And other times your an absolute ass. Pick a gender, pick a personality, and stop picking on others.
I choose to rise instead of fall- U2
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Just to clarify on a couple of points:
1) You make a big deal that everyone you've beaten up was asking for it. That doesn't match the description you've given of you beating up your ex-girlfriend's new bloke. She was provoking you, yes, but I didn't see any mention of him "asking for it".
2) Second, I don't think you should leave the site. I think a lot of your views are reprehensible but they're obviously heartfelt. Whereas someone like Kaneman hides behind multiple identities and hasn't contributed anything ever, you're just being you.
Come to think of it, I think a lot of Adam Baldwin's political views are reprehensible but I don't think he should be driven out of fandom either.
And I think everyone on this site should get laid more often. Including me.
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